Going All The Way To The Supreme Court. Yea, Right.

cachmeifucan

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Gore vs Bush 20 years ago says that everyone in each state should be held to same standards. If when I vote my signature is verified but if you mail yours in no signature verification then I'm being held to different standard
 

cachmeifucan

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No president ever won with out Ohio. Trump got 12 million more votes then 1st election. Obama won over 600 counties Biden won less than 500. Let's verify all mail in ballots then.
 

newfie

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Gore vs Bush 20 years ago says that everyone in each state should be held to same standards. If when I vote my signature is verified but if you mail yours in no signature verification then I'm being held to different standard

that is the crux of what happened and should be enough.
the problem is whether any judge has the guts to listen to the case.
the negative is if the case is heard then every future election will likely be challenged in court regardless.
politics never retreats. It adopts the latest tactic and moves forward with it.
 

vantexan

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And just exactly how was the constitution violated? Just how were the plaintiffs injured? Just exactly how is SCOTUS going to overturn an amendment to Pa's election law that was eagerly introduced and passed into law by the plaintiffs themselves. Why in the hell are they claim that the law was unconstitutional when it was their own damn law?
The law allowed mail in voting. It did not allow ballots to be received after 8 p.m. on election night. Or any other changes that judges or election officials decided on. Only the state legislature has that power under the Constitution. You may not like it, but it's the law. But SCOTUS hasn't officially taken the case yet and if they don't it's a moot point. If they do the case has merit and the Constitution must be followed. Highly unlikely they'll rule otherwise. That will result in it getting kicked back to the state legislatures of the four states. If they can't come up with a remedy and neither candidate has 270 electoral votes it'll go to the House of Representatives to decide. Again, assuming SCOTUS decides to hear the case.
 

vantexan

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Gore vs Bush 20 years ago says that everyone in each state should be held to same standards. If when I vote my signature is verified but if you mail yours in no signature verification then I'm being held to different standard
The Equal Protection Clause under the 14th Amendment.
 

vantexan

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that is the crux of what happened and should be enough.
the problem is whether any judge has the guts to listen to the case.
the negative is if the case is heard then every future election will likely be challenged in court regardless.
politics never retreats. It adopts the latest tactic and moves forward with it.
But if it isn't heard them going forward we're likely to see the same sort of fraudulent behavior. For the country's same they need to enforce the integrity of our elections.
 

bacha29

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And just exactly how was the constitution violated? Just how were the plaintiffs injured? Just exactly how is SCOTUS going to overturn an amendment to Pa's election law that was eagerly introduced and passed into law by the plaintiffs themselves. Why in the hell are they claim that the law was unconstitutional when it was their own damn law?
Right. State legislature's can change election laws not change election results simply because they didn't like the outcome. Pa's Act 77 which created the mail in ballot process was a creation of GOP controlled legislature. A creation they were dead certain would hand Pa on a silver platter as a gift to their emperor god. So confident that it would they never bothered to challenge the constitutionality of the law within the allotted time frame. But after Trump lost they ran back to the Pa Supreme Court long after the timeline had expired and wanted that court to see it their way.
 

vantexan

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Right. State legislature's can change election laws not change election results simply because they didn't like the outcome. Pa's Act 77 which created the mail in ballot process was a creation of GOP controlled legislature. A creation they were dead certain would hand Pa on a silver platter as a gift to their emperor god. So confident that it would they never bothered to challenge the constitutionality of the law within the allotted time frame. But after Trump lost they ran back to the Pa Supreme Court long after the timeline had expired and wanted that court to see it their way.
That law isn't in play here. What's being challenged is the right of anyone outside the state legislature to change election rules. Under the Constitution judges can't change things, state officials can't either. Only the elected legislators can.
 

bacha29

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If 46 states followed the rules but four states didn't which greatly altered the election outcome then the other states had their votes invalidated. Thus the harmed States have a right to go to the Supreme Court for relief. Doesn't mean the Supreme Court chooses the next president. If the SCOTUS rules in favor of the suing States anything done by the four States that was unconstitutional must be undone, as in not counting ballots that came in past the deadline. If the state legislature says ballots must be in by 8 p.m. election night then under the Constitution that is what must be because under the Constitution only the state legislature can make that call. If however a judge or election official allows ballots to continue to come in, or any other number of things that the state legislature didn't decide on, then that's unconstitutional. They don't have that authority when it comes to elections, only the state legislature does. You may very well get electors chosen by the legislature who still vote for Biden. We'll have to wait and see.
If you get it your way what's to prevent other states from suing Texas on the basis of the same complaint? After all Republicans in Texas saw to it that voters in one of it's largest and most heavy populated counties were given only one mail in ballot drop off box in that entire county.
 

vantexan

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If you get it your way what's to prevent other states from suing Texas on the basis of the same complaint? After all Republicans in Texas saw to it that voters in one of it's largest and most heavy populated counties were given only one mail in ballot drop off box in that entire county.
Actually that was ruled unfair and changed I believe. But the question is did the state legislature make that call? If they didn't and it was corrected all is well.
 

bacha29

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That law isn't in play here. What's being challenged is the right of anyone outside the state legislature to change election rules. Under the Constitution judges can't change things, state officials can't either. Only the elected legislators can.
That's exactly right. The Pennsylvania Legislature a legislative body whereby both houses are overwhelmingly GOP controlled passed an amendment to Pa' election law (Act 77) that created the mail in ballot option. And after the mail in ballots were instrumental in Trump losing the election they ran back to Pa State Supreme court and SCOTUS trying to get them to undo what they had done. Both the PASC and SCOTUS threw it right back in their faces and in essence saying to them....."It's your law. Deal with it !.
 

vantexan

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That's exactly right. The Pennsylvania Legislature a legislative body whereby both houses are overwhelmingly GOP controlled passed an amendment to Pa' election law (Act 77) that created the mail in ballot option. And after the mail in ballots were instrumental in Trump losing the election they ran back to Pa State Supreme court and SCOTUS trying to get them to undo what they had done. Both the PASC and SCOTUS threw it right back in their faces and in essence saying to them....."It's your law. Deal with it !.
Doesn't apply. The lawsuit is about whether judges or election officials in the four states made election rules changes which by the Constitution only allows state legislators to do. Not talking about the law you cited, talking about last minute rules changes as in allowing ballots to keep coming in past the deadline that a judge allowed, etc. What it will come down to is whether the Supreme Court wants to involved itself in something so politically charged. Some analysts think they won't.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
SCOTUS cannot overturn the election results of a certain state election simply because a neighboring state didn't like the outcome of the that state's election. Nevertheless, just keep sending them your money but be sure to read the fine print as it pertains to what happens to left over money when this feces show is finally over.
Glad you have an opinion because I know you got an ass whole!
 
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