italy has 25,000 cooperatives, with varying degrees of socialism. im sure the govt hasnt hijacked / infiltrated them allSo you desire to stay ignorant of the fact that almost every Socialist movement gets hijacked by a Authoritarian Socialist or Fascist leader or group?
Socialism is based on Centralization of the Government and making it easy for strong authoritarian groups to use that centralization to enable take over of the government.
USSR
China
Cuba
Venezuela
List of socialist states - Wikipedia
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A spectre is haunting the West – the spectre of authoritarian capitalism
From coronavirus to climate change, China is surging ahead of the US and its allies. Are we witnessing the slow death of liberal capitalism?www.opendemocracy.net
Hey Commie/Liberal Democrat Jews....
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El Correcto
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Oh so you don’t vote for socialist government officials to cram down your socialist world views on the world. You just want private citizens to engage is socialist behavior by their own free will.
That’s completely fine in a free society Ricky, but we all know that isn’t your true political view.
when you vote thats called democracy. maybe you are a more civilized country which has proporational representation vs a winner takes all system as seen in the presidency for example or canada. you can vote for trump and he will cram down his worldviews on the population and in the case of american imperialism the world.
and you are not a free society anyways.
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Tom MacDonald
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Whatever. didnt read
Old Man Jingles
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Well in my lifetime these are the Authoritarian Presidents ...
Eisenhower - Yep! Definitely.
Kennedy - Absolutely!
Johnson - No doubt!
Nixon - Hell Yeah!
Ford - Not so sure?
Carter - Absolutely! As with Obama, he thought he could just tell others what to do.
Reagan - For sure, but middle of the road!
Bush Sr - Yes and from an administrative POV.
Clinton - Very forceful but knew when to compromise and negotiate. My Fav President of my lifetime ... so far.
Bush Jr - Very strong and assured authoritarian
Obama - IMO, the most Authoritarian President ... also see Carter.
Trump - Very definitely ... right there with Obama ... don't see Carter!
Biden - So far, very authoritarian and erecting a very Centralized US Government.
Any of the last three Presidents would succumb to the power of a much stronger Executive branch!
quad decade guy
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Not interested.
clinton is stinking corrupt he sold out the working class for big money. hes largely the reason ppl like trump even got elected.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Yet he is probably the best President in the last 65 years ... what does that say about the others?
quad decade guy
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I don't know what growing up has to do with anything....I'm grown.
Justice, peace blah blah.....yeah at the obliteration of the Jewish race. Grow up? You need to pay attention.
Illiterate? Please prove this statement. You don't know me. And I've demonstrated being able to decipher your lack of capitalization and lack of punctuation that seemingly......is of a 15 year old....grow up.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
Could it be that Clinton, as it was with Obama, the hopes of his backers was dashed by the height of their expectations?
Both still had a job to do which they did with decent results but fell short of voters expecting transformational change.
Ironically, Biden which no one expected to do much, is implementing transformational change.
I think the reason for that is that Biden has lost faith in Jeffersonian democracy. I’m not sure he’s wrong. As far as politics goes with the two party system, we’re looking more and more like a parliamentary system which of course will bring claims of autocracy.
hte best one was probably lbj or carter im guessing. yes youre quite right to keep it relative to the others lol
You mean the power behind the throne is implementing transformational change. Biden is the rubber stamp.
definitely increasing authoritarianisn starting with w bush not sure before that.
To which Biden replies "huh?"
clinton and obama are neo liberals so they play lip service to reform for working class, but in reality pursue none of it. clinton was a disaster, i think he was on par with bribes with his republican opponent, obama actually took more bribes than mccain. clinton pushed the democrats to the right, so republicans had no where to go but further right.
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fishtm2001
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Costs to the taxpayers for golf outings in the first 41 days of their presidency:
Bush 41: $0
Obama: $0
Trump: $578,640
Biden: $0
And let’s not forget that most of that money went directly into Trump’s pocket since he realized early that he could ding the taxpayers for his week-end forays to his own properties. The man never left a penny on the sidewalk.
Bush 41: $0
Obama: $0
Trump: $578,640
Biden: $0
And let’s not forget that most of that money went directly into Trump’s pocket since he realized early that he could ding the taxpayers for his week-end forays to his own properties. The man never left a penny on the sidewalk.
Does it matter? He just needs to sign where the VP tells him to sign.
biden, clinton and obama are the old centers and they are not holding because they sold out starting with clinton. so biden may be the last gasp of neoliberalism before you get either a relatively far left wing or far right winger come to power. i was listening to chomsky again and i think he said democrats sold out in the 1970s.
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