CaliforniaPaul
Well-Known Member
I believe that an employee must be "Bondable" to be hired. A former felon would not be considered bondable and therefor not to be hired.
Hiring felons.
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UnconTROLLed
perfection
Had a two year employee walked out a few weeks ago by the FBI.
If the theft was from a customer, rather than from UPS, then yes, the $50k would be paid to the customer. But who pays the $50k????
If UPS has secured a bond with a surety agency, the surety pays either directly to the customer, or to UPS who then pays the customer. But I suspect there is no bond involved. I think UPS just pays the customer (probably reluctantly after a fight) out of their own funds. UPS makes the customer whole, but no one makes UPS whole. They just "eat" the loss.
Also, if there is no actual surety company involved, then UPS can not claim that the job applicant is rejected because UPS couldn't get him bonded. Rather, it would be UPS rejecting the applicant for their own reasons, which they should just admit to, instead of laying-off the blame on a non-existant third party.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Finger printing was not being used when I was hired. That was the 70's.
Handwriting samples, that was never done to my knowledge.
Bonding being "thrown out" is an interesting development. Care to elaborate when?
Jon, the way I understand it, UPS pays a company a certain amount of money over the course of the year to handle bonding issues. Just like insurance, that company fields all the claims, fights those that they think are not valid, and pays the claim directly to the offended party. UPS pays them the additional costs involved for the claim, in addition to the regular amounts that they would get even without a claim.
Either way, UPS eats the cost, regardless if it is paid to the customer, or an internal loss.
This is the way it was explained to me. And it has been a while. But I would be very surprised if we do actually knowingly hire felons.
In this case, I would suggest getting some legal help in getting it removed from your record. The problem is that to get it removed costs a great deal. Getting the money to get it removed is precisely what the poster is facing. Its a catch 22.
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moreluck
golden ticket member
I didn't know you could tell a felon just by their looks......
rod
Retired 23 years
Yes and no:
Each center is its own little world where what is allowed at one- isn't at another. It even goes deeper than that. At one center a person can get away with some infraction but the guy who isn't making the "numbers" is in deep doo-doo for doing the same exact thing. The only thing at UPS that could be considered a company wide program or rule would be the individual managers ability to bend the rules to fit his needs.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Droo
I personally would not have a problem putting you to work. I know several people that have made mistakes in the past, many times as a teen, that have screwed up their whole life. One of my neighbors is one. He was drinking and driving, accident, killed several people, and to this day cant get insurance on his own. And only in the last few years was able to start driving again, with his wifes insurance.
Also, there are a lot of discrepancies when it comes to law, crime, and the resulting punishment. One of the guys I had working here got behind on his child support. He was to be in court on a Monday for a hearing, but on Sunday totally smashed his fingers to where they had to place pins in the fingers. On Monday afternoon, they came to the hospital and arrested him, removing him to the jail. At his hearing, he was shackled, leg irons, hand cuffs, and both attached to his waist with chains. Guy never has had any other problems, and never been violent. But yet they treated him that way. Also, that is one legal system where the accused is guilty because the state says so, and the defendant has to prove he is not.
Ezi, Profiling is where you assume someone is guilty of something because of your personal views or past experience as viewed by you. There might or might not be a real reason for that view.
The machines offered evidence of tampering, so the response was in direct correlation proof of a problem.
Your statement shows a gross disdain for the people that we are bringing in to work, based on assumptions, in total disregard for reality
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I personally would not have a problem putting you to work. I know several people that have made mistakes in the past, many times as a teen, that have screwed up their whole life. One of my neighbors is one. He was drinking and driving, accident, killed several people, and to this day cant get insurance on his own. And only in the last few years was able to start driving again, with his wifes insurance.
Also, there are a lot of discrepancies when it comes to law, crime, and the resulting punishment. One of the guys I had working here got behind on his child support. He was to be in court on a Monday for a hearing, but on Sunday totally smashed his fingers to where they had to place pins in the fingers. On Monday afternoon, they came to the hospital and arrested him, removing him to the jail. At his hearing, he was shackled, leg irons, hand cuffs, and both attached to his waist with chains. Guy never has had any other problems, and never been violent. But yet they treated him that way. Also, that is one legal system where the accused is guilty because the state says so, and the defendant has to prove he is not.
Ezi, Profiling is where you assume someone is guilty of something because of your personal views or past experience as viewed by you. There might or might not be a real reason for that view.
The machines offered evidence of tampering, so the response was in direct correlation proof of a problem.
Your statement shows a gross disdain for the people that we are bringing in to work, based on assumptions, in total disregard for reality
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Old International
Now driving a Sterling
We just had a PT the quit when LP started getting close. LP turned the info over to the VA, and they called the DEA. PT thought he had it made until that door knock.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Oh gosh, then they need to arrest all the other 211 part timers as well, since they look like a bunch of ner-do-wells.
That was aimed at Ezi, not you oletimer.
We do get some bad apples, just like everybody else. And many dont have any record of ever getting into any trouble. Just like some drivers that steal from customers have worked for UPS for years without ever any trouble.
I own quite a few, and none of my guns have ever hurt anyone. And you suggest that it is profiles that hurt people with guns? I would suggest it is the law abiding armed citizen that will keep your "profiles" at bay. Note I did not suggest law enforcement would do so.
So in your haste to profile, maybe it is a good thing you dont own guns?
The criminal, many whom are felons, it is against the law for them to possess a gun in the first place, that commits the majority of the violent crimes using guns. The guns are just a tool. Just like cars are to the drunk that drives them.
As a fan of history, my family has seen first hand the after effects of a government that takes the guns from its citizens. From both sides of the equation. Our founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing by giving us that right.
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dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Nope, in a good mood. Done with taxes. Finally. I would rather have a colonoscopy. 
Sorry if I sound grumpy, but history has shown that the safety of people such as you is only insured by people like me. So make fun of gun owners if you wish. But I will guarantee you your right not to own one, by my right to own several.
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Sorry if I sound grumpy, but history has shown that the safety of people such as you is only insured by people like me. So make fun of gun owners if you wish. But I will guarantee you your right not to own one, by my right to own several.
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curiousbrain
Well-Known Member
Nope, in a good mood. Done with taxes. Finally. I would rather have a colonoscopy.
Sorry if I sound grumpy, but history has shown that the safety of people such as you is only insured by people like me. So make fun of gun owners if you wish. But I will guarantee you your right not to own one, by my right to own several.
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Out of curiosity, any citations/references for this?
hubrat
Squeaky Wheel
hang in there EZ i think the tax man got him all torqued up. He's normally a lot nicer
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curiousbrain
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You're contention, as I understand it, is that France would not have been conquered by German invasion had its people owned guns and not engaged in various socialist policies (e.g. Popular Front)? Suffice to say, I disagree with that, and I would assume that since you made the contention you agree with it.
In the interest of civility and, truthfully, lacking the personal motivation to engage in a debate on this topic which will more than likely be fruitless for both of us, I agree to disagree.
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