Load all NDA's

[dudebro]

I just want to say that wasn't meant to be a personal criticism by any means. Like I said, it sure seems like you guys mean well.

But I would like to know what you guys mean by management not trying to implement the "plan." I see supervisors tripping over themselves (usually while performing union work) trying to stay under their allotted man-hours. I've been told that staffing is just one of the things IE "plans."

I'm not trying to point fingers here. Please help me understand the big picture of what IE's purpose is in a typical day-to-day operation.

We are (or have been) a company that does a lot of the same thing every day. So everything we do is broken down onto basic movements and measured, under average (not perfect) conditions. Along the way, this has helped us become very efficient.

Used properly, the variance to an IE measured time can illustrate where we have a problem, in setup, methods, or conditions. This way, we don't waste time looking where a problem isn't. In other words, there has to be some kind of scientific base for a good job.

The business plan really isn't what IE does, upper management does that. IE is there to say, yes, this is or isn't physically possible under average conditions. We also should develop methods that minimize cost and effort.

Regarding the 1DA, there's no question loading it in the car is the best plan. Where we don't do it, it's because we don't execute some other part of the plan, so we can't TRUST that we won't have a 1 day air "found in load".

 

[Over 70]

I'm staring at a coworker working through break right now and a sup working every single day. Guess I got bigger fish to fry

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

1) you must have room on either side of your truck.
2) I didn't know your seat was the 1000 section.

It takes less than a minute to transfer them from my seat to the 1000 section, in delivery order.

 

[dudebro]

If things aren't going as planned, then they're being mismanaged?

Not necessarily.

We're not making hours in the load - go down there and see what's going on.
In various places, I found:

1) An employee sleeping
2) An employee at a poor load rate, who has never been trained because he just came from the unload, but the receiving supervisor thought he came from elsewhere.
3) The package cars ALL have platforms behind them whether they "need" them or not, adding at least a 1/4 mile to the walking a preloader has to do, per car.
4) The employee doesn't load, but works hard taping packages all night because they were run through an area of the hub that workers affectionately call "the crusher".
5) The employee doesn't load but we found some excuse to code him / her to the load.

I could go on. Notice only ONE of these is the fault of the employee, and the rest - take your pick.

 

[dudebro]

It takes less than a minute to transfer them from my seat to the 1000 section, in delivery order.

And if it's that easy, why didn't we just put them there to begin with? I know folks on here talk about the "bricked out P10", and there are some, but EVERYONE's car isn't bricked out EVERY DAY, either. More often than not, a preloader CAN walk through the car.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

And if it's that easy

Stopped reading right there.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

And if it's that easy, why didn't we just put them there to begin with? I know folks on here talk about the "bricked out P10", and there are some, but EVERYONE's car isn't bricked out EVERY DAY, either. More often than not, a preloader CAN walk through the car.

...and mine does...the only exception are the NDA for Walmart, which he loads in with the stop...

 

[dudebro]

Ops management are often forced to choose between doing that or continually missing the unattainable numbers IE sets every year.


Business plan on our preload is an 89.7. Yet this month our PKG plan is a 114. I get we have to make money, but that's just stupid. We're forcing more work on less guys and expect everything to be the same. Nobody accounts for the inevitable misload cost involved. And before you tell me we need to run a shorter preload explain to me what we do when DAILY the air trailer is late.

Oh wait, You're going to tell me to put more premium service providers on road to make service on NDA and push the start time back. Then you guys come back and tell me our SPC aren't high enough because we've shortened our work day and we need to cut more routes. It's endless.

In OPS management we don't have the same days everyday. The only constant is you fixed one metric you screwed up on yesterday in favor of another one. In IE's eyes everything is on time everyday, variables never change, and the only reason we don't make our numbers is because we don't want to. I roll in the door at 530 everyday and roll out between 6PM and 7PM. Go ahead and tell me I don't attempt to activate my brain.

Take what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, because I don't know the specifics of your operation.

1) IF the BP is 90 and the PKG plan is 114, someone's friend*ed up. Either the IE didn't look at it, or someone thinks it's a stretch goal and that someone is delusional.

2) The air trailer is GONNA be late. Louisville gets >110 1DA flights per night. The odds of an aircraft having a significant delay (90 min or more) due to weather, lightning, mech, etc. is 1 in 63. This means they choose, most nights, whether to hold the entire outbound fleet to capture ALL of a late inbound plane, or let the fleet go half way through. If you're in the NE, plan on 20-25 min.

3) Who said a center has to increase SPC by eliminating AM air routes? That's just the easiest no-think way to do it. You might NEED the AM route, and STILL need to reduce FT driver dispatch.

4) No one says anyone doesn't work hard. I walked out of ops plenty of days knowing I didn't fix EVERYTHING I knew was wrong that day, but as some other old timer told me, you can't save the world by yourself, just do the best you can. But having said that, I've had to stop myself from doing stuff I wanted to do (that had a justifiable purpose) and force myself to do OTHER stuff I didn't feel like doing, that might have gotten me a better return on my effort.

 

[dudebro]

Stopped reading right there.

Anything you do in less than a minute that's not relatively easy?

 

[Brownslave688]

It takes less than a minute to transfer them from my seat to the 1000 section, in delivery order.

And you know how ups looks at that?


That's one min per driver 200 times per year. Adds up.

 

[Brownslave688]

Anything you do in less than a minute that's not relatively easy?

His average sexual excursion.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

His average sexual excursion.

Time allowance is half that and I'm always under allowed.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Anything you do in less than a minute that's not relatively easy?

You were responding to Dave who lives in a bubble of goodness..... in reality most things at UPS aren't easy. And if they are, there's probably a whole team of people working to change that.

 

[Coldworld]

How does the Preloader get the air to the 1000 section when they can't walk through the truck?

Over the top... And hope they don't fly into the cab and slide out the front door... Have found letters out under the truck on the passenger side... Lol

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

that's the hourly mentality i was talking about; it doesn't take long hours and gruntwork to meet IE goals, it takes thought, planning and a basic understanding of algebra

staffing is a big IE function, but it's based on demonstrated need

most of the times an op says they "need" more staffing, it's really because they're very badly managing the staffing they currently have



other than responding to an accident, or riding with a driver, why does your average FT on-road need to be physically present in the center after 4pm?

i'm all ears

IE goals are based on your demonstrated ability, so they're definitely attainable




if your PKG plan is a 114 while your BP is a 89.7, your planner or PKG specialist should be fired; that's not IE taking you to pound town, that's "the person who plans my PKG is a lunatic"

anyways, a preload PPH is meaningless except as an overall component of inside PPH; if inside PPH is being made, but you're missing preload PPH, nobody gives a



your planner must be truly terrible, i'm sorry, i'd never advocate a shorter span, or put more PSP's on the road (that's actually heresy in IE)



I won't comment on the rest of your sperg, but have you ever thought about training an OMS to do your job?

there isn't much reason for you to be there past 3-4pm, as long as you're on call for an accident

that's hourly work


for inside employees, we don't even get involved, the ops have a blank check to hire as many as HR can drag in

drivers have to go through a requisition that's takes into account all the possible shortage factors, and PKG plans, and then we tend to hire somewhere between the max and average need

clueless as to the real world at ups.

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

And if it's that easy, why didn't we just put them there to begin with? I know folks on here talk about the "bricked out P10", and there are some, but EVERYONE's car isn't bricked out EVERY DAY, either. More often than not, a preloader CAN walk through the car.

Walk through a car? Lmao. Come to stafford texas. Come see my 37 oversize boxes for medical center nda everyday along with some letters etc. common occurrence, just too funny. Oh, and they cut out another 3 routes so I'm up to 170. Clueless

 

[TearsInRain]

Walk through a car? Lmao. Come to stafford texas. Come see my 37 oversize boxes for medical center nda everyday along with some letters etc. common occurrence, just too funny. Oh, and they cut out another 3 routes so I'm up to 170. Clueless

stafford texas medical center huh? i'll query your route tomorrow and see how you do

clueless as to the real world at ups.

texas =/= the real world of anything

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

stafford texas medical center huh? i'll query your route tomorrow and see how you do



texas =/= the real world of anything

I can tell you how I do. 30 years of putting up with ups bs without getting fired. Following the methods without shortcuts. Following the rules. Never issued a warning letter. 25 year safe driving member. When u were a baby I worked during the one day over 70 lb strike. And then hurt myself with over 100 lb pkgs including herniated disk, 3 repaired hernias with mesh, brand new shoulder last year. If ur still checking, notice I was working during lunches. Also note I was there an hour early each day to go through my truck. AND No Comments about working off the clock people..heard it 30 years.Ur department would be the only one with enough time to query some old guys route cuz ur curious lolol. The rest of us are trying to comply with outrageous demands and no time to query.Oh, by the way, I'm retired and love play time at brown cafe to vent

 

[TearsInRain]

I can tell you how I do. 30 years of putting up with ups bs without getting fired. Following the methods without shortcuts. Following the rules. Never issued a warning letter. 25 year safe driving member. When u were a baby I worked during the one day over 70 lb strike. And then hurt myself with over 100 lb pkgs including herniated disk, 3 repaired hernias with mesh, brand new shoulder last year. If ur still checking, notice I was working during lunches. Also note I was there an hour early each day to go through my truck. AND No Comments about working off the clock people..heard it 30 years.Ur department would be the only one with enough time to query some old guys route cuz ur curious lolol. The rest of us are trying to comply with outrageous demands and no time to query.Oh, by the way, I'm retired and love play time at brown cafe to vent

tl;dr

 

[Nothing by 1030 anymore]

tl;dr

No time?