wkmac
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Wait a minute ... when was the first time?
Must be a bitch having missed such an earth shattering event.
Yeah, I totally missed it too!
Wait a minute ... when was the first time?
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moreluck is right again .
Explain something to me, Baba
You and I both agree that the government has no business infringing upon the rights of law-abiding citizens to own guns, and that as citizens of a free country the contents of our gun safes are nobody's business but our own.
Why are you OK with that same government being able to kick down the door of an otherwise law-abiding citizen and imprison him simply because he is growing a plant and smoking its leaves in the privacy of his own home?
Are we not entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Are we not entitled to be free from an oppressive Federal government?
How is it that you condemn "Obamacare" as being a gross violation of a citizens rights and an overreach of Federal authority, yet you approve of that same Federal government controlling what a free person is and is not allowed to ingest into his own body?
I believe in states rights in issues like deciding whether marijuana or gay marriage is legal but I reject the concept of judges over riding the will of the majority in that state if they vote no, or force other states that voted no to accept something they had rejected themselves.Here's a couple more questions for you right-wing conservatives;
Do those of you who oppose federal recognition of gay marriage on the basis of "states rights" also support the right of individual states (such as Colorado and Washington) to decide for themselves whether or not to legalize marijuana?
Do those of you who believe (as I do) that Concealed Handgun licenses should be valid in all 50 states also believe that gay marriage and medical marijuana licenses should be valid in all 50 states?
Or is it more accurate to say that you only support "states rights" when they happen to align with prejudices that mirror your own?
I also believe in local supremacy. I fully support gun rights in both directions and that includes the rights of a local community to make it's own choices in the matter and that would include its choice to not have them if they see fit.
So you are saying that the laws of a local community should supersede the US Constitution?
I usually agree with you wkmac, but you are WAY wrong on this one!!!
BINGO! Go one step further, at the least abolish the Constitution and return to the Articles of Confederation.
Sober, your rights only ever go to that magical spot that your fist comes in contact with my nose and vice versa. Yes, rights can and do go in both/many directions.
No offense but your opinion of this point means nothing to me but you have the right to it. See, just proved rights do go in different directions.
So are you saying that you advocate abolishing the Constitution and reverting back to the Articles of Confederation as the core legal framework that defines our rights as citizens?
Do you believe that "local supremacy" should allow a majority vote of white citizens to make slavery legal again, as it was during the Articles of Confederation? You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I personally am grateful for the existence of a Constitution that specifically enumerates my God given rights rather than allowing them to be subject to the whims of "local supremacy" which is another way of describing the Tyranny of the Majority.
There is an important distinction between "democracy" and "liberty" that you should keep in mind. "Democracy" is four wolves and a lamb voting on what will be served for dinner. "Liberty" is a heavily armed lamb disputing the results of the election.
I also think everyone should have the right to open carry .
And that people who shop for like minded judges to over ride the vote of the people have no place within this society .
I also believe that the whole gay marriage issue was conceived by lawyers to maintain other lawyers financially .
It's your body ; love it or kill it is solely your choice .
Its not an assumption. You stated in a previous post that you support "local supremacy" and, in regards to gun control, the right of "local communities" to "make their own choice" as to whether guns are allowed in that community or not. That sound like the very definition of majority rule to me and if I am interpreting your statements incorrectly then by all means enlighten me. I have a real problem with the idea of a "local community" having the legal ability to deny certain fundamental rights (guns, religious freedom, jury trial, habeas corpus, freedom of speech and press etc.) to citizens based upon a simple voting majority.As to the definition of democracy, Wow imagine that. You are assuming I mean to use a pure majority rule approach. Be careful in such assumptions.
The fact that I respect every individual in their person and their rights would suggest that slavery under any form, even the one you advocate for you own self interests by state edict and declaration are abhorrent. How can you in Oregon dictate local community interests and standards across the breath of a land continent and in a place you are likely to never even visit? Same applies to them in respect to you.
Abandonment of the Constitution and return to the Articles of Confederation IMO would just be a start and not a conclusion.