Minimum Wage

[rickyb]

Because people like MAKAVELI are the reason why Seattle is such an expensive place to live. Keep bitching, and soon you'll realize you're only hurting yourself.

“To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic,” historian Howard Zinn wrote. “It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness. What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction. And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.”

so aside from debating here, what do you do to make the world a better place?

 

[What The Hawk?]

It's expensive because it's on the WEST COAST and a major metropolitan area. It's like that from Seattle all the way down to San Diego. Go travel and find out for yourself. It's called supply and demand.

Travel the different cities in WA. Seattle sucks compared to the city I live in. But, this is a liberal state so I don't expect people here to wake up anytime soon. Seattle residents support higher taxes and demand higher pay, but don't like the cost of living they cause. It's funny.

 

[BrownArmy]

Did you research Seattle? Probably not.

But you don't live in Seattle.

 

[What The Hawk?]

“To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic,” historian Howard Zinn wrote. “It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness. What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places—and there are so many—where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction. And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory.”

so aside from debating here, what do you do to make the world a better place?

I think logically.

 

[What The Hawk?]

But you don't live in Seattle.

Neither do you, what's your point?

 

[rickyb]

I think logically.

which means you do what specifically to make the world a better place in your eyes?

 

[BrownArmy]

Neither do you, what's your point?

Why are you crying about Seattle?

 

[MAKAVELI]

Travel the different cities in WA. Seattle sucks compared to the city I live in. But, this is a liberal state so I don't expect people here to wake up anytime soon. Seattle residents support higher taxes and demand higher pay, but don't like the cost of living they cause. It's funny.

Again, it's a major WEST COAST city. You want cheaper, more conservative? I suggest you move east.

 

[What The Hawk?]

Again, it's a major WEST COAST city. You want cheaper, more conservative? I suggest you move east.

Seattle is perfect for people with your mindset.

 

[What The Hawk?]

I'm just glad the pure liberalism of Seattle hasn't quite spread to my area..yet.

 

[Brownslave688]

yea on whom?

capital gains is down, corporate taxes are down, top marginal tax rate is down. they almost got rid of the estate tax on the rich.

Good. About time the bottom paid some taxes.

 

[BrownArmy]

Why are you crying about Seattle?

Guy, Seattle is like Boston, or New York, or D.C., or Silicon Valley.

It is what it is.

Concentrated wealth concentrates itself repeatedly.

You can cry about it, or you can:

-Live somewhere else.
-Run for Congress.
-Get on a forum and complain that advocates for Minimum Wage are ruining the city that you don't live in.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Good. About time the bottom paid some taxes.

Why? That would only reduce their purchasing power.

 

[rickyb]

Good. About time the bottom paid some taxes.

they already pay way too much. where im from taxing someone who earns less than i dunno $19 an hour is sick but they do it.

 

[rickyb]

Guy, Seattle is like Boston, or New York, or D.C., or Silicon Valley.

It is what it is.

Concentrated wealth concentrates itself repeatedly.

You can cry about it, or you can:

-Live somewhere else.
-Run for Congress.
-Get on a forum and complain that advocates for Minimum Wage are ruining the city that you don't live in.

seattle and new york are victims of money laundering which drives up housing, and another housing bubble

 

[rickyb]

I'm just glad the pure liberalism of Seattle hasn't quite spread to my area..yet.

your lucky you live in one of the most conservative western countries out there.

no guaranteed vacation, no guaranteed healthcare, no maternity leave, no affordable college. no other country does this!

paradise! move to the south.

 

[Brownslave688]

Why? That would only reduce their purchasing power.

they already pay way too much. where im from taxing someone who earns less than i dunno $19 an hour is sick but they do it.

Just trying to be "fair". Everyone should have the same tax rate. A consumption tax would be a way to tax the rich more fairly.

 

[BrownArmy]

Good. About time the bottom paid some taxes.

Pound for pound, the bottom pays and pays and pays...

 

[Brownslave688]

Pound for pound, the bottom pays and pays and pays...

The middle gets screwed I'll agree with that and the "upper middle" really gets its. The bottom doesn't pay . The ultra top usually doesn't either.

 

[rickyb]

Just trying to be "fair". Everyone should have the same tax rate. A consumption tax would be a way to tax the rich more fairly.

no way. you`d just have more inequality. and its already out of control.

the rich save more money than they spend. the poor spend more than they save because they are poor.

check out david cay johnstons videos on your tax system. calls it niagra falls in reverse. the whole bail outs, federal reserve thing is a good example.

but i am in favor of an economic system which distributes the money more fairly to begin with. then you wouldnt have to rely so much on redistributing it through taxes.