New cameras in cab

[Brown echo]

Sorry if this has its own thread already, but does anybody have a camera installed in their cab,

My hub installed 100 today. They face the driver and send information about hard brakes somewhere. They probably detect impact too.

I heard you can be fired for covering it.

It's nothing you can do it's UPS property

 

[Brownslave688]

The camera that monitors and records video whenever it "senses and alerts a distracted driver" does not record video. Got it.

I hate to say it but there is an implicit cultural issue here where we as humans cannot perfectly operate under instruction. There is an implicit "reasonable" behavior that allows the vast majority of us to go accident free for a whole career but which is not entirely perfect. The company is trying to sweep the "safety" rug out from under us when it simultaneously is garbage at upholding it. If I had it my way, we would be a fleet of low speed delivery bicycles, can't get in a fatal crash then, but then poor corporate america would not be making any $.

Even robots breakdown and screw up sometimes.

 

[PASinterference]

We are talking about a company that refuses to order more trucks or hire more part timers while taking in record profits and volume.


No one that has dealt with ups for more than 5 seconds thinks there is any chance at all they are spending an extra dime for functions they don’t intend to utilize.

We just had a "paper pcm" this morning about scanning every package and writing down disposition on the package. "Don't be the one who doesn't ". Then, about 530 pm, get a message, " Don't sheet anything missed, we had trouble with Orion today. Give those pkgs to local sort sup". I swear these pigs have 10 sides on their mouth.

 

[Est.1998]

Driver shows up on a report for taking more than 5 minutes at 1 stop at 3:59pm. Supervisor checks camera footage from the previous day at 3:59pm, sees driver responding to a text message. Harassment and warning letters ensue.

Plot twist: the message the driver responded to was from the supervisor that checked the footage. What did the message say you ask? "Hey can you check on John after you're done?"

 

[Est.1998]

Some people ruin it for the rest of us.

Like those people that lick ice cream then put it back into the freezer for likes on social media?

 

[Est.1998]

The camera that monitors and records video whenever it "senses and alerts a distracted driver" does not record video. Got it.

I hate to say it but there is an implicit cultural issue here where we as humans cannot perfectly operate under instruction. There is an implicit "reasonable" behavior that allows the vast majority of us to go accident free for a whole career but which is not entirely perfect. The company is trying to sweep the "safety" rug out from under us when it simultaneously is garbage at upholding it. If I had it my way, we would be a fleet of low speed delivery bicycles, can't get in a fatal crash then, but then poor corporate america would not be making any $.

Unless the rest of the world were also on bikes, this idea would be insane and I definitely wouldn't be a driver?

 

[Wally]

How do they know of a driver is distracted?

Sounds like they want to keep the phones off.

The very fact you are being watched in itself can be a distraction. You are focusing on the camera rather than driving.

 

[Wally]

It is an insult to have a camera 18 inches from your face recording you all day. A slap in the face to a professional driver and a good employee.
This can not stand.

Can we have cameras on all the supes in the center and Atlanta?

 

[burrheadd]

It's nothing you can do it's UPS property

There’s a whole section in the Contract that deals with technology

 

[Wontmake9.5]

scan your face and eyes

But it says no face record...surely ups wouldn’t lie to us?

 

[Thegameisrigged]

We've had them in our trucks since before I started. We always tear off a sticky piece of an infonotice and cover them. lel Every single one in the trucks at our center are covered.

No. That’s not a camera. That’s a remote control sensor. The camera they are referring to is a lytx camera system. Look it up.

 

[JJinVA]

No. That’s not a camera. That’s a remote control sensor. The camera they are referring to is a lytx camera system. Look it up.

na. Im not that ambitious

 

[Thegameisrigged]

na. Im not that ambitious

You’re not? You’d think you’d have real knowledge of something before commenting.

 

[SorryLazyPOS]

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So more beating time in the back? Cool.

 

[Brown echo]

But it says no face record...surely ups wouldn’t lie to us?

Fair warning! there's no privacy in this world

 

[robot]

They should stream the cam feeds to a website and charge a monthly sub for voyeurs.

sexybrowncams.com

 

[MisplacedRailWorker]

Ups says “ no driver is facing video or audio capability. How does the sensor senses distraction if the driver not being watched?

Scans eye movement/tracks patterns from the iris (which reflects light very differently)

Hundreds of GE locomotives already had this at NS for years, and Amtrak started with forward and crew facing cameras around 9/11

 

[MisplacedRailWorker]

The distracted driver alert is probably AI learning a pattern between motion sensor and eye movement. My mother's 2013 Volvo does this without the camera. Just detects changes/deterioration in movement conditions (swerving, harsh braking, stabbing accelerator and brake)

 

[detmaintainer]

I hope the company does not stoop to this level of pettiness. What could they hope to see besides a driver getting in and out of the package car all day?

 

[CitizenTruth]

Sorry if this has its own thread already, but does anybody have a camera installed in their cab,

My hub installed 100 today. They face the driver and send information about hard brakes somewhere. They probably detect impact too.

I heard you can be fired for covering it.

If the IBT
allows this, why have a union?