Not in Union yet but is this right?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Joseph Major Lovelace, Jun 22, 2012.

  1. First of all I started loading Monday so, obviously im not in the Union yet. It takes me an hour to get to work and an hour to get back home. Thursday after only working 1 hour my FT Sup told me to go home. I pleaded for him to give me something to do and he wouldnt budge. My truck wasnt busy but we had jam and backup lights on all over the place. Can he send me home only after one hour? Im not in the Union yet so I dont know what my rights are. Working one hour doesnt even pay for my freaking gas to get to and from work.
  2. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Before being in the union you have no rights. Kiss @$$ until you make book.
  3. Johney

    Johney Well-Known Member

    That's about it.
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Kiss @$$ until you make book?? No one ever told me I could stop.:wink2:
  5. rej277

    rej277 New Member

    What'd he send you home for?
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Sounds like the volume was light or perhaps the sort was overstaffed.
  7. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    You will have to do like your namesake Linda and just suck it up.
  8. rod

    rod retired and happy

    Great minds think alike. Thats the first thing I thought of when I read his name.
  9. brownlaso

    brownlaso New Member

    From the contract where im at, you are guaranteed 3 and 1/2 hours minimum each night, but since you are not part of the union, yet, i don't think there is much you can do at the moment.
  10. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member

    The complete Union Contract (National Agreement and your Regional Supplement) applies to you in full from Day One.

    The Contract covers all Bargaining Unit members, and all Bargaining Unit work. (See Articles 1, 2, and 3.)

    Specifically, Article 22, Section 5 says, "All part-time employees governed by this Article shall be provided a minimum daily three and one half (3-1/2) hour guarantee."

    Some employees never join the Union, but the Contract still fully applies to them as Bargaining Unit members doing Bargaining Unit work.

    However, Management does have the limited right to fire you without protest from the Union during your probationary period, so be careful.

    UPS can't fire you for illegal reasons, or to evade the Contract's provisions. But they can fire you for being an unacceptable worker, or for committing some offense. They can also lay you off temporarily in advance if there is not enough work anticipated to keep everyone busy.

    First check with your steward and/or Business Agent, to be sure they will back you up if you assert your right to your daily 3.5 hour guarantee.
  11. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    I can pretty much guarantee that if you start invoking any rights now you won't have a FT job at UPS. I needed the union a week after i made book and when i used them my center manager looked down on me in disappointment like i was a puppy that just :censored2::censored2::censored2::censored2: on the carpet and said "I really thought you were a team player." HAHAHAH It took everything i had not to laugh in his face.
  12. Notcool

    Notcool Member

    I say find another job before you get to far in I don't know why any new pt would work here.
  13. BrownStar22

    BrownStar22 New Member

    You do not have right to a 3.5 guarantee when you have not completed your 30 day seniority approval.
  14. JonFrum

    JonFrum Member

    Can you quote the exact language from whatever Supplement or Rider this notion is from?
  15. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    He has a right to his 3.5 guarantee, when he punches in. If they try to send you home, tell them you would like your guarantee. If they force you to go home, then get with steward and file for the time up to the 3.5. Stand up for yourself.
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    You don't think it best he wait until his 30 days are over before going all Joe Union?
  17. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    And start looking for another job, just in case.

    I always warn new hires especially to not listen to the locker room lawyers on here.
    They like to run their mouths like they are big macho men.

    Get your seniority first would be my advice.
  18. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    If he's losing money, why would you advice him to stay. The idea is to earn money at a job. Not pay to get one !! Not about being macho. You and the steward go in the office with grievance and explain to them, that you need the 3.5 hrs they guaranteed you when they hired you. Its not about punching the company in the gut. Its about making sure the company understands that you hold them to their word. I have gone in a few times and never had to go thru with said grievance. They always made payroll adjustments and life went on with mutual respect. Skeered to death I tell Ya.
  19. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    This is horrible advise for a new guy. He hasn't made book so they are pretty much looking for any reason not to hire him. Getting the union involved before his 30 is the fastest way to be sent home packing.
  20. Buck Fifty

    Buck Fifty New Member

    He should sign up with the Union the first day. Thats the best advice for a new guy. All they are doing is seeing how much they can manipulate him. If you have a good steward, it is no easier to fire him before or after his seniority.