"On Topic" "Blame The Worker" Behavior Based Safety or Not?

[Integrity]

No.



No.



They collapse it anywhere they want. But they were trained not to do it that way. It's on them now.

It is the Company's responsibility to see that training is following.

 

[Integrity]

I'm pretty sure that's illegal in my state. I hope to never be injured in this place again, but if I am they better not try that on me.

I agree.

It really is against OSHA regs and it also in a clear violation of Article 14 of the Master CBA.

 

[km3]

It is the Company's responsibility to see that training is following.

It is, but even when the company doesn't care whether the training is followed, it is still the employee's responsibility to abide by it.

Did the employee create an unsafe work environment for his or herself by ignoring training and methods, or did the employer create an unsafe work environment by failing to train them at all, training them to do something stupid, or not providing the equipment that the training calls for (load stands, shepherd's hooks, etc.).

 

[1989]

I agree.

Unfortunately employees often get disciplined as a result of reporting a workplace injury?

Warning letter anyone?

Send that warning letter to the state L & I. For them to discipline ups and issue some fines.

 

[DumbTruckDriver]

Look at packaging, make assessment, accept or reject. System designed.

LOL! It’s like you’ve never worked with packages...

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Less packages more personal attention. That would be good.

But would customers be willing to pay for that personal attention? There has to be a balance.

Training methods not applicable to all employees?

If the method was based on bad information/science, then it's possible. UPS is woefully underinformed when it comes to biomechanics.

UPS is a corporation.

Corporations are legal fictions created to define a relationship between people. Corporations cannot be punished for wrongdoing. A corporation is a highly efficient method of eliminating personal liability, which is what allows for increased risk taking.

Look at packaging, make assessment, accept or reject. System designed.

Will X-ray specs be standard issue? Or do we wait around while the shipper opens up each package for our inspection, then wait while they seal them back up?

 

[Poop Head]

Or do we wait around while the shipper opens up each package for our inspection, then wait while they seal them back up?

Sounds good to me!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Sounds good to me!

It's ok by me too. I pick up 200 to 400 pieces a day, I'd only have time to do one or two bulk delivery stops before starting pick ups. Imagine the complications while picking up the UPS store.

 

[reginald95]

It's true. You are ultimately responsible for your own safety out there. Every time you decided to carry multiple packages in your arms instead of using your handtruck because that would slow you down, every time you cut across someone's lawn to get to their front door faster, every time you step down your package truck with a light package in hand instead of setting it down, stepping down then picking it up, and delivering an over 70 by yourself because it would take too long for another driver to get to you to help. These are just examples of things everyone does at some point or another that can cause a serious injury or life altering event. I still remember when I was a part-timer and hurt my back as a driver helper and where it occurred. I also remember that I kept working because I was getting top pay because it was before peak season. I also know deal with back discomfort that will never go away because of it.

Unless it's some freak accident or act of god, safety is in our own hands.

 

[ACmoses]

Was the box packaged properly? Six sided tape? Proper cushioning of said parts? If not then I blame the shipper.

But sadly in today's world you blame who ever has the biggest checkbook.

And the ones with biggest checkbook blame the worker.

 

[Covemastah]

I wear my vest every day ,,, I’ll never get
Hurt !!

 

[Leon]

The blame lies with the employer, not the employee. The nature of the business is relocating objects quickly, some of which are heavy. Accidents and injuries are bound to happen. Inherently the company's responsibility.

That said safety begins with each individual, following the methods and staying alert to ever changing conditions

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

Safety is your responsibility.

MG

 

[Mugarolla]

If you think the employee is responsible for this injury please explain.

That all depends on what time of day it is and how warm or cold it is in the trailer.

 

[watdaflock?]

This situation reminds me of our "leaker" policy. When's the last time anyone actually left the area?

 

[Wally]

This situation reminds me of our "leaker" policy. When's the last time anyone actually left the area?

Not split drivers! They leave yellow bottles all over!

 

[Dr.Brownz]

The company is at fault in all safety matters because the company willfully created a culture of rushing to make service. "create a sense of urgency"

 

[542thruNthru]

Unfortunately they do. I don't work with anybody named Jesus.

Here is San Diego Jesus loads my truck and he friend* up all the time!

 

[Wally]

Here is San Diego Jesus loads my truck and he friend* up all the time!

You saying Hayzues can't hit a curveball?

 

[oldngray]

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You saying Hayzues can't hit a curveballs?

He can even hit a 1 iron like you wouldn't believe.