As far as upstate dave. If it were up to me, people with nothing useful to say or share would be gone. But people enjoy the bs he puts forth, and i so totally give one , what he says. I have come to terms with this unfortunate incident where I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was career-ending for me so I really don't give a what he says but it is nasty and I hope he never attacks another member this way or I will ban him