Poor Ground guys…

[dmac1]

Never said any such thing about people collecting unemployment. If they need it they need it. But the government giving them an incentive to stay unemployed while many businesses go begging for workers isn't good for the country. And brother, I sat in the office many times at school because I didn't have lunch money. My mother had a ninth grade education and we lived in 2 rooms of an unfinished house. I worked for $1 an hr at 12 for 35 hrs a week pulling weeds in the Florida sun and have humped ever since. I said enough at 55 and looked for ways to get by without the idiocy. I have no problem with social assistance for those in dire need. You listen to Bacha who like a good communist twists things to attack anyone who believes in capitalism. The only thing in life that truly works is hard work. Even Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk have worked hard to get where they're at. What I object to isn't social services for the common good but rather the false belief that government can create a world where we can all do reasonably well with minimal effort. That's what guys like bacha are after. I've seen the aftermath of socialism gone wild in the former Soviet Union. Because guys like bacha can't help themselves and want to control everything and everyone we may end up like the USSR someday. We're seeing some pretty serious hints at that in our government now. But people have to find things out the hard way and lose decades of progress before figuring it out. Probably killing millions by starvation or war along the way. We're in deep doo doo with the debt now but y'all can't be told any different. It was a great country while it lasted.

No one is asking for people to make minimal effort. Those people are called lazy, and it has nothing to do with socialism. But with 1/3 of a billion people, unless you want to spend billions more to save millions, some people who are lazy will take advantage. And it turns out the ending the extra unemployement pandemic benefits did not suddenly make millions of people suddenly go out and start looking for work. That concept was always a myth, and only the right thought it was the truth. Typical right wing ideology is to believe that people they don't know are evil, greedy, and lazy, while the left is to believe and hope in the goodness of their fellow countrymen until shown wrong.

And comparing socialism like SNAP under democracy to socialism in Russia under an autucracy,dictatorship is like comparing Donald Trump to the pope. Ridiculous except in the minds of the right who can't or refuse to see the difference.

 

[dmac1]

Show me you’re papers

Show me you are papers and I will show you I am papers.

 

[vantexan]

You HATE socialist programs and denounce socialism unless it benefits you. The definition of socialism is constantly changing for the right. Social programs that build new roads the government will own isn't socialism, but new programs that help other people pay doctor bills is socialism. . Riiiiiiiiight!!!!!

Name the socialist programs I've denounced?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Repeating yourself or even quoting others or yourself still doesn't make you right, no matter how often your say it or repeat it. Only the right thinks that repeating something over and over makes it true.

So sayeth the Queen of Self-Repetition.

 

[59 Dano]

So the wacky right wants to go back to pre-cave man days to be free. I guess that is why they still want to use cave man technology like coal for heating and cooling. You need to conserve those cave man jobs like digging up coal or you just aren't conservative.

You're irrational.

 

[59 Dano]

Gathering fishes and loaves from those that have and giving them to those that don't have sounds like socialism with Jesus at the wheel.

You mean the fishes and loaves that people gave of their own free will?

 

[59 Dano]

The constitution DOES NOT side with either free capitalism or total socialism, in fact, it says that the constitution is being put in place to PROMOTE the GENERL WELFARE of the people. That allows for all manner of 'social' benefits for the people.

ROTLFMAO!!!! So the founding fathers were so much in favor of social programs that they never got around to creating any.

 

[Fred's Myth]

The constitution DOES NOT side with either free capitalism or total socialism, in fact, it says that the constitution is being put in place to PROMOTE the GENERL WELFARE of the people.

General Welfare can’t be promoted as he already achieved his highest rank. Would have to be elected President.

In case you missed it, the above was penned to ridicule your post.

 

[vantexan]

No one is asking for people to make minimal effort. Those people are called lazy, and it has nothing to do with socialism. But with 1/3 of a billion people, unless you want to spend billions more to save millions, some people who are lazy will take advantage. And it turns out the ending the extra unemployement pandemic benefits did not suddenly make millions of people suddenly go out and start looking for work. That concept was always a myth, and only the right thought it was the truth. Typical right wing ideology is to believe that people they don't know are evil, greedy, and lazy, while the left is to believe and hope in the goodness of their fellow countrymen until shown wrong.

And comparing socialism like SNAP under democracy to socialism in Russia under an autucracy,dictatorship is like comparing Donald Trump to the pope. Ridiculous except in the minds of the right who can't or refuse to see the difference.

People who aren't getting an incentive to stay home will eventually work at something. Or starve/get kicked out of their home. Has nothing to do with hating them. You're putting things in terms of absolutes but as always there's two sides to every story. The Right wants a strong economy where anyone can find work and opportunities to better themselves. The Left uses identity politics to pit groups against each other and offers freebies in exchange for votes to keep themselves in power. A social safety net that assists those in need is what we should be after. A world where everyone either works or starves with no assistance in time of need isn't desirable. A world that promises cradle to grave assistance that puts the burden on others to pay for everything while able bodied people stay home isn't desirable. And what we're seeing right now in this administration is an attempt with proposed bills to create a dependent class that will keep the Democratic Party in power in perpetuity. Ultimately that will fail and bring everyone down with it.

 

[vantexan]

No one is asking for people to make minimal effort. Those people are called lazy, and it has nothing to do with socialism. But with 1/3 of a billion people, unless you want to spend billions more to save millions, some people who are lazy will take advantage. And it turns out the ending the extra unemployement pandemic benefits did not suddenly make millions of people suddenly go out and start looking for work. That concept was always a myth, and only the right thought it was the truth. Typical right wing ideology is to believe that people they don't know are evil, greedy, and lazy, while the left is to believe and hope in the goodness of their fellow countrymen until shown wrong.

And comparing socialism like SNAP under democracy to socialism in Russia under an autucracy,dictatorship is like comparing Donald Trump to the pope. Ridiculous except in the minds of the right who can't or refuse to see the difference.

The Attorney General of the United States just made an overt threat to treat parents protesting at school board meetings as domestic terrorists who will be looked at by the FBI. If you think that an authoritarian regime can't take over the country you are naive.

 

[SmithBarney]

Can't believe he's still in charge of the PO, is this a lifetime appointment, the same guy who removed mail sorting machines during mail-in ballot voting?

 

[Working4the1%]

The Attorney General of the United States just made an overt threat to treat parents protesting at school board meetings as domestic terrorists who will be looked at by the FBI. If you think that an authoritarian regime can't take over the country you are naive.

And more lies from Republicans PolitiFact - Rick Scott wrongly warns FBI coming after loud parents at school board meetings

 

[bbsam]

All the social programs are funded from earnings, or added to the debt. Public roads are socialist, public schools are socialist, public defense of the country is socialist, spending public dollars to protect the seaways from piracy to keep wealthy shippers from losing money is socialist. fire and police departments are socialist, and even insurance-private insurance- is socialism on a small scale in one sense, especially when something like car insurance is required by law..
Society' itself is socialist, because people fond hundreds of thousands of years ago that working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier.

And yet there is a huge contingent convinced that socialism is bad.

 

[bbsam]

I love it! "EVERYTHING IS SOCIALISM!!!"

Can we get the full progressive pants-on-head experience? Can you please argue that Jesus, Christianity, and assorted Bible verses support even the most extreme liberal positions, as others have claimed? Please?

Certainly. Jesus was not highly regarded by the movers and shakers of the time. If the “Sermon on the Mount” exemplifies anything, this is it. Such preaching taken in by the populace could only mean one thing:

 

[vantexan]

And more lies from Republicans PolitiFact - Rick Scott wrongly warns FBI coming after loud parents at school board meetings

Have seen the memorandum put out by Merrick Garland talking of using the FBI to investigate people who disrupt school board meetings.

 

[bbsam]

Have seen the memorandum put out by Merrick Garland talking of using the FBI to investigate people who disrupt school board meetings.

No. Maybe you could post it.

 

[vantexan]

No. Maybe you could post it.

I've seen it, why haven't you?

 

[bbsam]

I've seen it, why haven't you?

Because you haven’t posted it. I’m willing to look at it.

 

[bacha29]

Have seen the memorandum put out by Merrick Garland talking of using the FBI to investigate people who disrupt school board meetings.

And with good reason. A school board meeting is an official public meeting and the people on that school board while volunteers are at that moment conducting for the record official government business and these people are being harassed and threatened.

As I mentioned earlier last night I had dinner with an individual who will announce his candidacy for statewide office later this week. He told me how amazed he is how some people are completely happy voting against their own interests for no other reason than the comfort of believing that they're hurting somebody they don't even know when in reality they are actually hurting themselves.

As we all know you're going to do to the same as your father did and take full advantage of state and social programs due to your failure to make enough money over the course of your lifetime to make the need for benefits unnecessary . Once again, the basic ideology of conservatism is simply this,.... if you're not rich.... it's YOUR fault.

 

[Working4the1%]

I've seen it, why haven't you?

Seen this. Now I know why we offer homeschooling