Rush Limbaugh has left the room

[Supersoaker]

You are in here supporting a dude who voted to convict him, I’m assuming you wouldn’t want to convict an innocent man or maybe you would?? So prove he ain’t innocent in it. Prove he incited violence.

So what? It was Cohn who prosecuted the rosenbergs and pushed for the death penalty for them. It was the most notable communist espionage trial during the red scare.

Who cares what commies take delight in?? It was important to stand against communists in the government at the time, we were at war with them.

Spare me the false outrage.

 

[vantexan]

Then you guys should be stoked that oil prices are finally going up again. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Isn't that why Trump was working to get an agreement for Saudi Arabia and Russia to cut oil production? I mean, we are a major producer of fossil fuels and the glut of oil coupled with the economic turndown resulting from COVID killed a ton of oil jobs. Isn't that why Trump wanted oil prices to rise and sought an agreement? Were you outraged then? Maybe he succeeded (though he never got such an agreement) and you should be super happy about it - but judging from your posts in another thread, you weren't.

I sure don't remember the economy being crashed by outside forces. I seem to remember it being largely due to a speculative housing bubble that nearly destroyed the banking industry.

My question remains, does the economy grow better under Republican Presidents? I guess we would need to have some agreement on the source of information. Is the GAO (government accounting office) and Bureau of Labor Statistics part of the MSM?

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I dunno, it looks pretty clear to me that job growth has remained about constant under the last two administrations. I know Trump said it was "amazing growth", "the best growth ever". I know, I am going to take a beating because I became skeptical of the things Trump says and sought out actual facts.

Back to the topic at hand... I have listened to Limbaugh since the early 90's. I've probably heard more Limbaugh than 99% of you. He was entertaining. But back then, I never really thought anybody would treat him as a source of factual information.


Yeah, ok. Get back to me when it passes. I will wait.

Trump wasn't working to get an agreement to cut oil production. Saudi Arabia wanted OPEC to cut production to boost prices but Putin refused. So Saudi Arabia dumped a lot of oil causing the market to crash to punish Russia.

The housing bubble was the outside force that ruined Bush's economy. Bush didn't cause that bubble. The politicians involved were primarily Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank. But it was way bigger than them.

You don't seem to realize that job growth during the Obama years was primarily businesses rehiring after the 2008 crash. Can you point to Obama policies that spurred growth? Obama reminded business leaders that those jobs weren't coming back in reference to jobs sent overseas. Trump was trying to get a chunk of that business sent back to the States.

You know what? If there was a Democratic Rush Limbaugh out there who suddenly passed away you guys would act like Obama just died. Enjoy your smugness. In the end it's all Democrats ever seem to have.

 

[Supersoaker]

Trump wasn't working to get an agreement to cut oil production. Saudi Arabia wanted OPEC to cut production to boost prices but Putin refused. So Saudi Arabia dumped a lot of oil causing the market to crash to punish Russia.

The housing bubble was the outside force that ruined Bush's economy. Bush didn't cause that bubble. The politicians involved were primarily Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank. But it was way bigger than them.

You don't seem to realize that job growth during the Obama years was primarily businesses rehiring after the 2008 crash. Can you point to Obama policies that spurred growth? Obama reminded business leaders that those jobs weren't coming back in reference to jobs sent overseas. Trump was trying to get a chunk of that business sent back to the States.

You know what? If there was a Democratic Rush Limbaugh out there who suddenly passed away you guys would act like Obama just died. Enjoy your smugness. In the end it's all Democrats ever seem to have.

Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production

 

[Supersoaker]

Anybody: "I don't agree with Trump because; fact A, Fact, B, Fact C"
Trumpers: "YUR A LIBTURD, RINO, COMMUNISS!"

 

[El Correcto]

Anybody: "I don't agree with Trump because; fact A, Fact, B, Fact C"
Trumpers: "YUR A LIBTURD, RINO, COMMUNISS!"

You don’t have to agree with Trump to view him as innocent in this matter. You just have to have morals and a sense of justice.

 

[Supersoaker]

You don’t have to agree with Trump to view him as innocent in this matter. You just have to have morals and a sense of justice.

I blamed him for nothing of the sort. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting him in negotiating conditions that would result in higher oil prices and then crying when oil prices go up, posting receipts of the price increase, blaming the current administration for it while wringing your hands and predicting the end of the world.

I didn't disagree with everything Trump did, but found it impossible to support the thousands of lies he told and the way he turned people who disagreed with him into members of the "devil's army".

We used to be better than this.

 

[vantexan]

Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production

And Russia balked, Saudi Arabia dumped, the market crashed.

 

[vantexan]

I blamed him for nothing of the sort. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting him in negotiating conditions that would result in higher oil prices and then crying when oil prices go up, posting receipts of the price increase, blaming the current administration for it while wringing your hands and predicting the end of the world.

I didn't disagree with everything Trump did, but found it impossible to support the thousands of lies he told and the way he turned people who disagreed with him into members of the "devil's army".

We used to be better than this.

The prices have to be up to a certain level for fracking to be profitable. That's different from restricting oil production on Federal lands, which has the same effect, but limits how much our oil companies can produce and profit, and enriches foreign governments including some who are hostile to us.

 

[bacha29]

Oil Nations, Prodded by Trump, Reach Deal to Slash Production

The key number here is 60. The Saudi's made in abundantly clear to everyone including the West that their threshold of oil profitability is $60 a barrel. If they can't get it they'll cut back production until it rises to that level. The people who are outraged by that fact were simply not paying attention to just how global events can affect their daily lives.

 

[Supersoaker]

The prices have to be up to a certain level for fracking to be profitable. That's different from restricting oil production on Federal lands, which has the same effect, but limits how much our oil companies can produce and profit, and enriches foreign governments including some who are hostile to us.

You are sidestepping the facts.

Trump sought to raise oil prices. Oil prices went up and now the cult of Trump is blaming the current administration.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

[vantexan]

You are sidestepping the facts.

Trump sought to raise oil prices. Oil prices went up and now the cult of Trump is blaming the current administration.

You cannot have it both ways.

You're forgetting that prices actually went negative with Saudi Arabia dumping on the market. Prices are up now but our current administration won't let our companies drill on Federal land. That greatly increases our reliance on foreign oil.

 

[Supersoaker]

You're forgetting that prices actually went negative with Saudi Arabia dumping on the market. Prices are up now but our current administration won't let our companies drill on Federal land. That greatly increases our reliance on foreign oil.

Oh please. Not developing alternative fuel sources increases our reliance on oil. You can only trash the wilderness once. As an avid outdoorsman, this is a poor bargain.

You still aren't addressing that you said Trump never sought to raise oil prices. You are objectively wrong about this.

Is it that hard?

 

[Supersoaker]

And Russia balked, Saudi Arabia dumped, the market crashed.

Yeah, Trump failed, again. But he sought to raise oil prices. That was my point which you refuse to admit was right.

 

[quad decade guy]

You are one uneducated, uninformed individual.

Please backup your statement. I am uneducated and uniformed about what exactly?

 

[Supersoaker]

I'll say this about Rush, he was funny. One of the things he did that was kind of cute was to praise himself endlessly. It is kind of endearing in an entertainer - kind of like Ali's "I am the greatest" schtick.

I tuned into Hannity to see Trump speak about Rush after he died. He talked about Rush for about thirty seconds before turning back to his favorite subject - himself. From that point on it was nothing but self-praise. While this might be cute for an entertainer, it is nauseating from a public servant - especially one as feckless as Trump.

 

[floridays]

Yeah, Trump failed, again. But he sought to raise oil prices. That was my point which you refuse to admit was right.

Please maintain the floor and tell everyone interested in listening exactly why Trump would want prices to raise during that period.

I don't know is not an acceptable answer.

 

[El Correcto]

I blamed him for nothing of the sort. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting him in negotiating conditions that would result in higher oil prices and then crying when oil prices go up, posting receipts of the price increase, blaming the current administration for it while wringing your hands and predicting the end of the world.

I didn't disagree with everything Trump did, but found it impossible to support the thousands of lies he told and the way he turned people who disagreed with him into members of the "devil's army".

We used to be better than this.

To me this is incoherent ramblings. You are going all the way back to the 1950’s, oil prices, lies, etc.

You came in here wanting to discuss the kuk who voted to indict an innocent man on charges of incitement in leftist show trial for their base. Im merely asking you to provide why you think that is an okay and moral thing to do.

 

[oldngray]

Please maintain the floor and tell everyone interested in listening exactly why Trump would want prices to raise during that period.

I don't know is not an acceptable answer.

He was confusing Trump with Obama

 

[vantexan]

Yeah, Trump failed, again. But he sought to raise oil prices. That was my point which you refuse to admit was right.

You can't follow the timeline. And don't seem to grasp how much restricting oil exploration and drilling on Federal land will hurt the country.

 

[quad decade guy]

I have no need to dignify your accusations.

You have criticized me for voting from McCain and Romney even though you did the same. You have criticized me for being a leftist for being a Teamster and acknowledging the socialist movements role in the creation of labor unions - and yet you are a Teamster.

To be honest, I don't take you seriously at this point.

But I live in a red state. 80%+ of my fellow drivers feel like you do. They spend their off time watching Newsmax and Fox and believe what they hear because they aren't intelligent enough to question it. So does our business Mgr and on road super. I would love to speak my mind with them but it would make for a bad situation - so I limit myself. But this is kind of fun.

Like you, they believe that China pays for the tariffs. They believe Trump built the wall and Mexico will pay for it. They believe that Trump divested himself of his businesses because they saw a lot of paper on a table. They believe that Trump had a health care plan. They believed Trump when he said he was working on a middle class tax cut a few days before the midterm election. They believe whatever they hear. Lol.

Funny how many names I have been called here and yet nobody has yet to dispute the facts of my arguments.

I thought America was better than this. Patriotism has become a hollow thing nowdays.

First, you don't know me.

UPS was Teamster before I ever got there.

I'm not a Trumper.



BTW, you ain't no Republican or a conservative.

It's LAUGHABLE you tried to fake your way in with that.

MY God you talk so far out of both sides of your liberal mouth it's nauseating.

Anti-Trump....repeat......repeat..... hey man......he's gone.

We voted for Trump because Hillary....well we all know Hillary....even you commies couldn't take it.

People like Cruz/Rubio didn't get the nomination because he was for legalization/immigrants.

Please stop with being Republican. It makes you look stupid.