PT Car Washer
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Did you look at the date of the article. Guess they were a little off on their "the sky is falling".
Teamsters endorse Joe Biden??
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Boywondr
The truth never changes.
2013. The year we got TeamCare force fed. I remember the day the teamcare rep came to our local to sell their program since it hit the ground on the first cba vote. That very day Obama told Hoffa he didn't care if the IBT campaigned for him. Hoffa told him our healthcare would not be sustainable. Yep, I remember it well and Obama finally relented.
So, the IBT was right and Obama finally gave in. Otherwise it was not substainable as proposed..
AKCoverMan
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Healthcare. Perfect example example of how all our manufactured infighting and outrage takes our eye off the ball. Almost every political discussion around healthcare focuses on shifting cost to some other group of people and not on the real problem that America pays so fantastical much more of GDP to healthcare than any other country on earth. But we just hurl insults at each other as we try to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic.
AKCoverMan
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Perhaps, just as a start, people with differing views on say, I don’t know, maybe an online forum like BC, might possibly discuss these views in a civil and polite fashion. Who knows, perhaps actually find some common ground on an issue and work from there.
...So what is the alternate?...
Perhaps, and I know this will sound waaaaay out there, but just perhaps we could not view everyone on “The Other Side” as a monster to be defeated at all cost but rather as our neighbor, friend, and fellow countryman that deserves a right to be heard as much as we do.
I know, it’s a crazy idea. But think about this.. at some time in your life we have all been with a large group of people perhaps at a sporting event, or a concert, who knows.... and at some point something happens and the whole crowd goes wild. Think along lines of home team scoring the winning run or something. Your in that crowd all screaming and cheering as one.
Half those people are people you probably disagree with on political issues. But your cheering with them. Maybe they aren’t the monsters we made them out to be?
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
Two questions if you don't mind...
#1. Is the AMA sub-par compared to other countries' medical abilities??
#2. Define the Titanic.
AKCoverMan
Well-Known Member
Am
AMA? Do you mean do I think our healthcare providers are as good as other countries? Yes but I think our current delivery system of medical services is hampered by the business end of medicine I.e. the system of issuance and medical billing.
“Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic” sorry that’s simply an idiom referring to the famous “unsinkable” ocean liner the “Titanic” which hit an iceberg and sunk. What I mean is that we just keep arguing about who is going to pay for the high cost of healthcare rather than try to figure out why it costs so much more in America than elsewhere else. The mostly left wing “single payer” supporters seem to ignore the fact that while you may go to the doctor for “free” in Canada, the citizens all collectively still pay that doctor. There is still a cost.
People get too hung up on what they pay “out of pocket” and forget that if government is subsiding healthcare that someone is still paying. That money doesn’t just appear by magic.
AMA? Do you mean do I think our healthcare providers are as good as other countries? Yes but I think our current delivery system of medical services is hampered by the business end of medicine I.e. the system of issuance and medical billing.
“Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic” sorry that’s simply an idiom referring to the famous “unsinkable” ocean liner the “Titanic” which hit an iceberg and sunk. What I mean is that we just keep arguing about who is going to pay for the high cost of healthcare rather than try to figure out why it costs so much more in America than elsewhere else. The mostly left wing “single payer” supporters seem to ignore the fact that while you may go to the doctor for “free” in Canada, the citizens all collectively still pay that doctor. There is still a cost.
People get too hung up on what they pay “out of pocket” and forget that if government is subsiding healthcare that someone is still paying. That money doesn’t just appear by magic.
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
You're taking this forum way too seriously.
I don't really care what anyone else says.
It's just jousting and at times derived from the passion we've cultivated while surviving this work culture.
AKCoverMan
Well-Known Member
When we are fooling around about UPS work stuff I agree. When we start getting into political debates and start hurling insults at each other I believe that’s a symptom of huge divide in the nation which is leading to riots and looting in cities for crying out loud. I am not worried about who wins the election, I am worried about how we as a nation handle the outcome regardless of who wins.
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
I've hurled a few well deserved insults at a few crooked LMs in a hearing from time to time but I've never set their car on fire.
AKCoverMan
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Typical scenarios on any online forum or comment section..
Red: “I have concerns over how a single payer system would work”.
Blue: “Why do you want to see poor people suffer and die? Your some kind of racist monster! You must be shamed and destroyed!”
Blue: “I don’t want to see people unable to obtain affordable healthcare”
Red: “Why do you want to take what I’ve worked so hard for and give it away lazy people who refuse to work? You must be branded as an Evil Socialist and destroyed!”
Rather quickly any kind of discussion on a political issue devolves into insults and demonizing. Everything quickly goes from discussion of facts and ideas to personal attacks.
Red: “I have concerns over how a single payer system would work”.
Blue: “Why do you want to see poor people suffer and die? Your some kind of racist monster! You must be shamed and destroyed!”
Blue: “I don’t want to see people unable to obtain affordable healthcare”
Red: “Why do you want to take what I’ve worked so hard for and give it away lazy people who refuse to work? You must be branded as an Evil Socialist and destroyed!”
Rather quickly any kind of discussion on a political issue devolves into insults and demonizing. Everything quickly goes from discussion of facts and ideas to personal attacks.
AKCoverMan
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I’ve told my center manager and LM we should do center level hearings in a pub. We could probably get thru cases quicker and in any event we would have more fun.
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
With respect to rioting and looting, violence, etc...
Some people like that more than discussing issues and some are are paid to do it...
AKCoverMan
Well-Known Member
Agreed. When we move from insults and shaming to rioting and looting then a line has been crossed. Looters and rioters should be held accountable and those that are funding this kind of unlawful behavior should as well.
Frankly I don’t know how rioting and looting or even insults and shaming are a good strategy fo convincing your opponent to agree with your ideas. As you say some (most?) probably don’t even know or care why they are rioting and looting. Sad.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Lol, yes insults cause people to riot and loot.
Not Rushin’
Well-Known Member
This is a very telling statement because what Trump stands for is so much better for the members than Biden’s platform.
Bubblehead
My Senior Picture
Where they paid by the hour, plus whatever they managed to carry off....or just a straight salary?
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
I believe Rand Paul was working on that info. More details to be presented.
Maybe it's an opportunity to organize?
Kingofthenorth
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teamsters decide support democratic nominee who has a platform of strengthening and expanding unions as he believes unions built and are good for America. While union membership has been cut in half under our current president. I am truly in shock.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Correction: Household Union membership in the US has declined from 20 % to 10 % from 1982 to 2020.
By the way how is your contract going?
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Wally
BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
How much of that 10 percent is public sector?
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