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I did 3 times.
realbrown1
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Saying it doesn't make it true. I am not saying that I don't trust you Stink, but your making some wild accusations abouth the founder of TDU, so you either should post your proof here on BC or you should admit that you were making it up. Unless you just want to admit that you have such a MAD-ON toward TDU that you can't help yourself and just have to post any BS garbage you can about them and hope something sticks.
HubBub
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I respect holding elected officers to a high standard, I think it is our duty. The problem I have is that I've seen a lot of insults and worse, but not a lot of substantive criticism. Trying my best to be objective, everything I have seen points to Hall at the very least being a decent negotiator in the past, at least enough so to have earned the benefit of the doubt in the current negotiation.
As far as genuine criticism for the current administration, there may be some legitimate gripes that I can see, but I think those issues should be (and were) addressed during the elections, and a majority ruled. It seems to me that outside of legitimate election campaigns, in-fighting, splitting the union into factions, and attacking the leadership only serves to weaken us as a whole. Division is the antithesis of Union. That's how I see it right now. But like I said, my mind is open.
Nailed it!
realbrown1
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My main gripes have been about communications. There almost isn't any from the international down to the locals. Like I said earlier, my union b-board has info on there asking for volunteer to go house to house for Obama to be re-elected.
realbrown1
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As Hoffa Sr. often stated, we may fight amoungst ourselves, as long as we remain united. Or something like that.
And as long as the Old Guard wanna bees keep attacking TDU (unfairly in my mind) I will rise up and fight them. If they attack TDU and what they say is true, I will back the Old Guard. But so far, TDU is the better group in my opinion. Less arrogant. Less militant. More willing to share common information. And they drive around in more modest cars. The don't seem to need Lincoln Navagators or Yukons to get from place to place.
And as long as the Old Guard wanna bees keep attacking TDU (unfairly in my mind) I will rise up and fight them. If they attack TDU and what they say is true, I will back the Old Guard. But so far, TDU is the better group in my opinion. Less arrogant. Less militant. More willing to share common information. And they drive around in more modest cars. The don't seem to need Lincoln Navagators or Yukons to get from place to place.
realbrown1
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Then do it a fourth time.
Gotta say, the team over here that tried to win in the last local election is full of TDU supporters. The first thing they did was go to a smaller hub with a poster and had pictures taken with them but said they were from the union. Everyone assumed it was the hall. They weren't. Out of the 20 people in the photo, 15 called to complain. They also put out some false information in a handout about how our local ST had given himself a 12,000 raise. The "fact" they pulled out of his very easily researched salary were expenditures from traveling to and from the various companies hearings. It was one of the worst smear campaigns I've ever seen. Now, on the other end, I've seen some pretty good news reporting and their site has really good resources on it that are easier to find then on my local teamster site. On my end, IMHO, TDU hasn't been on the up and up.
Put them down? PUT THEM DOWN!? Are youkidding me!? I'm just providing INFORMATION to the people. TDU can do it but I can't? Why the double standard? Paff is a proven communist. He gives true socialist a bad name. People will stick their middle finger up at the president of this union (as long as its not a TDU nominee) and the president of this country, yet kiss the ass of a man investigated by the FBI for plotting to overthrow the government? Are you
Its really sad. You come on here with all the rah rah of a real union guy yet you attempt to tear down a other union members. It is also ironic that you attack Paff for his alleged socialist ties (sort of like the clueless reactionaries who believe obama is a socialist, etc) on or about MAY DAY.You even confuse socialist and communist as the same thing. Paff of course believes in elections and democracy. His politics are more social democratic(non communistic) like they have in europe.As for him being "investigated by the FBI", that would be a badge of honor in my book. That group of fascists of course would be told to investigate any person or group trying to enlighten or organize the masses and clean up a disgraced union organization (as it was back then...the corp elite prefer corrupt unions). As for "plotting to overthrow the govt" LOLMaybe to overthrow the corrupt Teamster hierarchy.LOL!! Paff is a good strong unionman. His goals are the betterment of this union . You are just a bit politically confused. For a socalled strong union guy you dont know much about history, especially labor history. It was the socialists and communists and anarchists who organized and ran the unions in the beginning. Eugene V Debbs the great labor leader ran on the socialist slate numerous times for president. We all owe the socialists a great deal. The 8 hr work day, end of child labor, vacations, pensions, minimum wages, etc. Yet you prefer to side with the dimwitted reactionaries who want to undo the work of the unions and labor (left wing organizationss)?? Ive got to ask" WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON??
UPS Preloader
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Paff gives true socialism a bad name. HE is NOT a Teamster nor is his group a union. He doesn't register his group as a union. Do you know why? So he doesn't have to report a LM2. Then we would find out about where his socialism is. It's the same stuff over and over and over. This site is overwhelmed with TDU warlocks to "talk up" their movement.
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?
realbrown1
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If they were running to election to your local's board, then they were from the union. You have to be a teamster in good standing to run for election.
About calling and complaining, I bet they were all for changing leadership at you local, but when challanged by the union's B.A.'s and shop stewards quickly backed down, playing ignorant. Some people have no backbone.
realbrown1
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Still can't come up with the proof even though you claimed to have already posted it. It's alright Stink. People already know that you and your 2 other stooges make
up.804 confirmed it.Still can't come up with the proof even though you claimed to have already posted it. It's alright Stink. People already know that you and your 2 other stooges make
1. What is Paff's vested interest in pursuing the Teamsters?
2. Why does TDU not hold Sandy Pope accountable given the financial disaster of her local?
3. Why does TDU refuse to support the Teamster?
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
How many time do I have to tell you, I am not TDU. I don't have to answer your silly questions. But you made a pretty serious accusation about Paff. Either back it up with proof, or admit you are a liar.
HubBub
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Been doing some cyber sleuthing, and the picture that's forming in my mind is that Ken P was an academic, far-left idealist that thought the IBT would be a great tool to push a bigger agenda, and that other TDU higher ups have also fit that description. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
