rod
Retired 22 years
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So how do you explain the release of this damaging video to the TV station and then to the public? You have to be on crack to put your job or the line for that "sensation". My bet is that the driver is a lower seniority driver (and non-bid) and he treats the packages the same way his helper did. If my helper did that just one time and also gave the camera the finger he'd have to use his thumb next to get a ride back to the center.I bet this guy was delivering to a friends house or maybe even his own house and was just screwing around.
Its not the driver's job to train a helper... its the company's.Driver being fired? That's a little harsh. Should be spoken to about how he's training his helper. A good tongue lashing would suffice hear.
The helpers work methods are also the drivers responsibility. If the driver allows his/her helper to work unsafely, unethically and against known company rules the driver will be held accountable.Its not the driver's job to train a helper... its the company's.
Ya know what.........thats like a not real well thought out comment. there is a certain amount of training the helper should have, or he shouldnt be helping. As for me, thats why I refuse helpers. Im not going to be responsible for a helper working safely, when we have telematics because they dont trust me to work safely. They dont trust me to deal with dogs, I do that all wrong too, although I was not in the high amount of dog bites I hear about every day. I actually did it wrong, did not get bit, but got reamed anyhoo, so how can I be trusted to teach someone how to avoid one. I flunked.Driver being fired? That's a little harsh. Should be spoken to about how he's training his helper. A good tongue lashing would suffice hear.
Ditto great minds think alike!Its not the driver's job to train a helper... its the company's.
What in the world are you talking about? Slam dunk? No, it is the company's responsibility to train all its workers. It has never been a condition of employment to train a worker. We are paid to deliver and pickup. Im not saying a driver shouldnt speak up if they felt it necessary, but its by no means a condition of employment to train a helper to use the methods.The helpers work methods are also the drivers responsibility. If the driver allows his/her helper to work unsafely, unethically and against known company rules the driver will be held accountable.
I'm a steward and I sure wouldn't want to have to try to get someone's job back if the employee knew the helper was doing these things and did nothing about it.
It would be a slam dunk for the company. The driver is responsible for his helpers actions if the driver knows the helpers actions are wrong and does nothing about it.
Training is one thing. Destroying UPS shipments and giving a customer the finger through their surveilance camera has nothing to do with methods. Allowing and condoning unethical, unsafe, and improper actions of an employee that is working at YOUR discretion and under YOUR direction in YOUR truck makes you liable because the driver is not reporting the helpers action, therefore approving of their actions.What in the world are you talking about? Slam dunk? No, it is the company's responsibility to train all its workers. It has never been a condition of employment to train a worker. We are paid to deliver and pickup. Im not saying a driver shouldnt speak up if they felt it necessary, but its by no means a condition of employment to train a helper to use the methods.
that is correct... when the company trains the helper all the methods should be taught. It is that helpers job to do it correctly. How am I suppose to know if my helper gives the finger to a security camera? I am in the back of my truck sorting my next stops. They are not working at "my" discrestion. UPS decided to give me a helper. I asked not to have one and I was forced to take one. It is not "my" truck". My instructions involve telling the helper where to leave a box. It is their responsibility to do it as trained by UPS. If a driver sees a problem it is fine to try and give advice but it is by no means our responsibility to hold their hand and take the blame if something goes wrong. If you are willing to let a driver take the liability then maybe you shouldnt be a stewardTraining is one thing. Destroying UPS shipments and giving a customer the finger through their surveilance camera has nothing to do with methods. Allowing and condoning unethical, unsafe, and improper actions of an employee that is working at YOUR discretion and under YOUR direction in YOUR truck makes you liable because the driver is not reporting the helpers action, therefore approving of their actions.
I suppose you wouldn't feel responsible if your helper walked in front of the truck to make a delivery across the street and got run over by a car when you watched the helper do that all day, knowing it was unsafe and never said a word to the helper about it all because "it is the company's responsibility to train the helper".
I smell a troll, but yes I would feel bad.Training is one thing. Destroying UPS shipments and giving a customer the finger through their surveilance camera has nothing to do with methods. Allowing and condoning unethical, unsafe, and improper actions of an employee that is working at YOUR discretion and under YOUR direction in YOUR truck makes you liable because the driver is not reporting the helpers action, therefore approving of their actions.
I suppose you wouldn't feel responsible if your helper walked in front of the truck to make a delivery across the street and got run over by a car when you watched the helper do that all day, knowing it was unsafe and never said a word to the helper about it all because "it is the company's responsibility to train the helper".
The point is: if you know and do nothing about it you are liable. I am a steward that stands up for the employees I work with....your judgement means nothing to me. I have never seen anyone win a case for irresponsibility and no one asked you to "hold someone's hand". Yes, it's "not your truck". Evade the point. Claim ignorance.that is correct... when the company trains the helper all the methods should be taught. It is that helpers job to do it correctly. How am I suppose to know if my helper gives the finger to a security camera? I am in the back of my truck sorting my next stops. They are not working at "my" discrestion. UPS decided to give me a helper. I asked not to have one and I was forced to take one. It is not "my" truck". My instructions involve telling the helper where to leave a box. It is their responsibility to do it as trained by UPS. If a driver sees a problem it is fine to try and give advice but it is by no means our responsibility to hold their hand and take the blame if something goes wrong. If you are willing to let a driver take the liability then maybe you shouldnt be a steward
around here they are paid 10.50,,, but I see your point.... doesnt matter anyway. At our center we were told if we wanted a knowlegable helper we would have to train them. Thats when I told them I didnt want one,,, was forced to anyway. I was hired to deliver and pickup.... not to be a babysitterDoes anyone really expect a helper making $9/hr for a month to memorize the 8/5 keys , and be a proper "representative" of UPS? You get what you pay for.
I do not feel that it is my fault if a helper does not know how to cross the street safely...I do not feel crosssing in front of the truck is unsafe,////A helper in our district was killed when he crossed the street in front of the truck a few years ago because they were in a hurry and didn't see or hear the car coming.
Gimmee a break. We all aprreciate our job. as a steward, if u are you know we are not slackers. Asking us to be responsible for the simple things of delivering is a bit much. I had a helper one night, for 2 hrs. I pulled up so he could go across the steet to deliver a pkg, and he got out his door and delivered it to the house on his side while I was in back of the truck sorting. What that cost me, is not worth having a helper. If they were not taught to verify an address, I do not need the help. I specifically told him the house across the street, behind the chair, knock they are home. If he cant do that, if I have to watch him, why do I need him?The point is: if you know and do nothing about it you are liable. I am a steward that stands up for the employees I work with....your judgement means nothing to me. I have never seen anyone win a case for irresponsibility and no one asked you to "hold someone's hand". Yes, it's "not your truck". Evade the point. Claim ignorance.
If you don't feel responsible for someone who is "green" to the safety pitfalls of our job and you couldn't care less how the customers packages are handled I guess I'm glad I'm not your steward because I would rather devote more energy to employees who value quality and appreciate a $31 per hr job who honestly just make a mistake and need representation.
I'm not a troll but I'm glad I'm not one of your customers either.