local804
Well-Known Member
My bad, looked quick.
Trouble brewing in chicago!
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My bad, looked quick.
705red
Browncafe Steward
Are you kidding me? Is this not your post?
For years ups controlled the union here, since it was ran by freight and they did not care about ups. After taking it in the rear from ups and the teamsters, Steve and a few other brave soles decided to run a slate to put power back in the members hands.
Now during the time leading up to the election, some of us were being targeted by ups and the union would uphold the terminations.
Cars were vandalized in our driveways, I'm sure this was done by the then current slate of teamsters.
In doing so Steve was the first ever to win an election over an incumbent.
After taking office ups tried the same games, they wanted to trade grievances, suspensions, terminations like they were baseball cards. Steve said no!
This slate of ups reps that we have now is the best to ever represent ups members. When someone is in trouble, they know at least they will have a fair shake and that's all any of us want.
Well after a few months ups grew tired of Steve and the slate, because they were doing what they ran on and promised to do. So ups started deadlocking everything, and in doing so ups ran up a pretty expensive bill on lost arbitration's. Now ups deadlocks only to try and resolve the problem before it goes to arbitration.
We typically have about 8 to 10 termination hearings at panel every month, this past January, with the new arbitrator sitting there (which is the first time due to the new language we gained in the contract) not 1 termination at panel! Not one!
All Steve and the guys want is the contract honored, because we the members want it. But instead ups violates at will, drags employees out for years in arbitration, costing them to lose their families, houses, medical insurance etc.
But you guys expect us to treat these bastards with respect!
I have seen alot of people that have made comments complain in the past about the teamsters being useless and ups controls them and we are always sold out.
Yet you are quick to throw Steve under the bus for doing what a lot of you wish your union leaders would do, and stand up for whats right!
Imagine what hoffas letter would say? You know the retirees would be done if it was up to hoffa.
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
Red
Putting thoses 2 posts together like that takes them out of context.
First off no one has posted the letter that UPS sent your retirees. We have seen the union letter which STEVE shows how unprofessional he is. There needs to be a resolution on these bi-annual strike threats and company pressure tactics.
You need outside help (not psychiatric) to get these struggles taken care of. The current management on both sides have proven to everyone they can't get the job done.
Putting thoses 2 posts together like that takes them out of context.
First off no one has posted the letter that UPS sent your retirees. We have seen the union letter which STEVE shows how unprofessional he is. There needs to be a resolution on these bi-annual strike threats and company pressure tactics.
You need outside help (not psychiatric) to get these struggles taken care of. The current management on both sides have proven to everyone they can't get the job done.
705red
Browncafe Steward
So you condone the company violating the contract at will?
Its ok for the company to wlak all over your rights!
Are you married? Would you stay with your spouse if they broke your wedding vows repeatly?
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
I agree the union has weakened. I don't think many people would disagree with that statement. If you can't see that your area again has become wildfire ready to take all of us down with you, then shame on you.
I understand you take personal pride in your local. I applaud it. To fight fire with fire, eye for an eye, nothing will get done. By your comments, you don't want Hoffa there anyways so just use the legal system. But you've already said it will take too long, so strike votes will begin before you even try.
Chicago is already out of hand. If UPS did break the contract by upping the fee by 600 %, bring it to the government. Let them shed light on this in the public eye. Nothing will ever get done, if you just quit trying because it will take too long !!!
I understand you take personal pride in your local. I applaud it. To fight fire with fire, eye for an eye, nothing will get done. By your comments, you don't want Hoffa there anyways so just use the legal system. But you've already said it will take too long, so strike votes will begin before you even try.
Chicago is already out of hand. If UPS did break the contract by upping the fee by 600 %, bring it to the government. Let them shed light on this in the public eye. Nothing will ever get done, if you just quit trying because it will take too long !!!
Ditto!i believe this is a picture of UPS corporate hq when they learned they messed with the wrong local. i stand behind steve 100%. i voted him into office and he has not disappointed me once
I received an Adobe PDF copy of this letter which was 471kb. Too large to post. I used the convert-to-text feature and it apears below, (without the UPS shield.)
Note that the increases are huge, single out Local 705 retirees only, and if you don't pay on time, your loose coverage forever!!!
Note that the increases are huge, single out Local 705 retirees only, and if you don't pay on time, your loose coverage forever!!!
thelus
Package Car Whipping Boy
Ok, From my understanding of whats going on is this, and ill put it into simple terms, UPS went and violated 705's contract and its promise to retirees. local 705's response was to send out a letter to the retirees and file a civil lawsuit in federal court. that's what i'm picking up from 3 stewards and a BA. now as for the letter i agree with Steve, they are heartless bastards. they see employees as a number, you are your employee id number to them not a face not a name, just a number like a prisoner. hell i once said hi to a district manager at the addison building once walking down the primary and the guy didnt even look at me
i've learn something being the nice guy at ups means nothing to ups, they will never ever be nice to me but ill still try to be nice for my own soul
oh btw i added the photo taken of scott davis after he found out 705 doesn't take crap from anyone.
i've learn something being the nice guy at ups means nothing to ups, they will never ever be nice to me but ill still try to be nice for my own soul oh btw i added the photo taken of scott davis after he found out 705 doesn't take crap from anyone.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
It actually works out to about $1900/yr for single and $5700/yr for family coverage. Compare this to the $600/yr that single subscribers currently pay and you will see that this is a huge increase and I understand the anger in the local but there have got to be other avenues to explore other than a strike or a poorly written letter.
The average annual cost per participant in the UPS Health & Weifare Package for Retired Employees has exceeded $6,250. Under the terms of the Plan, each retired employee will be required to share equally in the cost above the $6,250 maximum by making an additional contribution.This additional contribution is effective February 1,2009.
The key issue is what is written into the benefits plan and was agreed upon by UPS and the Teamsters.
Is there anything written into the plan, that states no increases in benefits costs will ever be assessed to retirees?
The key issue is what is written into the benefits plan and was agreed upon by UPS and the Teamsters.
Is there anything written into the plan, that states no increases in benefits costs will ever be assessed to retirees?
So, if it's the costs over $6,250 each year.....this will go up every year from here on out. Health care costs NEVER go down. So this is just the beginning of annual rate increases?
705red
Browncafe Steward
I agree with you on a better way than a strike, but the letter is written perfect! I have not heard 1 complaint from a retiree that has received it.
Earlier you spoke on doing a leaflet, and passing it out. I brought up this idea and it looks like we will be doing this in the next week or so. Kudos to you, its actually your idea.
We will be handing it out an ups stores and customer counters to start. We are putting together a list of bigger ups accounts that we could hand to their employees as they drive in to the lot. This should put a little more pressure on ups!
Thanks upstate!
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
I agree RED that your retirees got hosed on this. Keep everyone posted on what the local is doing to counteract this disgrace.
Eventually we will all be in the retiree's shoes, we need to set a precedent so no company (UPS included) can rewrite part of the contract on their own
I was thinking about it all day RED. You guys just signed the contract 4-5 months ago. How can they think they can raise any benefit fee by that much percentage? Fight the good fight !
Eventually we will all be in the retiree's shoes, we need to set a precedent so no company (UPS included) can rewrite part of the contract on their own
I was thinking about it all day RED. You guys just signed the contract 4-5 months ago. How can they think they can raise any benefit fee by that much percentage? Fight the good fight !
From the actual letter as posted by Jon Frum:
You Plus Family -$472.75
You were off by almost 100% and the monthly costs do not appear to be by dependant in Jon's letter. Do you have something to substantiate $50/dependant or could that be off by 100% also?
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
Just what our customers want to hear.........they will love to know that their delivery company and employees are at odds that could leave them stranded when it comes to their packages. Not sure this is the best avenue to go down.
I'm just saying.......
One other comment, not sure there is a better option, just that all options kind of have a bad taste.
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