Waiting for Superman.

[The Other Side]

Moreluck,

Again, show a CONVICTION for planting a bomb, a CONVICTION for plotting a bomb, a CONVICTION for terrorism, a CONVICTION for murder, a CONVICTION for crimes against the government.

You show old news, arrested for a sit in at a draft board? Seriously, thats the best you can muster up?

Ayers was a rich white kid who was protesting the drafting of minority, (mainly black and hispanic kids) while rich white kids were overlooked in the draft, LIKE HIMSELF.

He was a white kid of priviledge, along with "other' white kids of priviledge, they spoke out against the governments practice of drafting POOR kids.... once all the groups in the 60's merged, some of them NOT AYERS, committed crimes, some serious, BUT AYERS was NEVER CHARGED, ARRESTED or TRIED for ANYTHING in this country.

He turned himself in because the government was looking for all weather underground members, YET it had NO CASE against AYERS for a SINGLE CRIME.

You have demonstrated nothing, only an arrest for a sit in at a draft board, and for that, you continue to smear the man without a single schred of proof.

Congratulations, the right wing has taught you well.

Peace.

 

[bbsam]

I was kidding. There is no hope for you.

 

[moreluck]

Moreluck,

Again, show a CONVICTION for planting a bomb, a CONVICTION for plotting a bomb, a CONVICTION for terrorism, a CONVICTION for murder, a CONVICTION for crimes against the government.

You show old news, arrested for a sit in at a draft board? Seriously, thats the best you can muster up?

Ayers was a rich white kid who was protesting the drafting of minority, (mainly black and hispanic kids) while rich white kids were overlooked in the draft, LIKE HIMSELF.

He was a white kid of priviledge, along with "other' white kids of priviledge, they spoke out against the governments practice of drafting POOR kids.... once all the groups in the 60's merged, some of them NOT AYERS, committed crimes, some serious, BUT AYERS was NEVER CHARGED, ARRESTED or TRIED for ANYTHING in this country.

He turned himself in because the government was looking for all weather underground members, YET it had NO CASE against AYERS for a SINGLE CRIME.

You have demonstrated nothing, only an arrest for a sit in at a draft board, and for that, you continue to smear the man without a single schred of proof.

Congratulations, the right wing has taught you well.

Peace.

You don't have to ask twice....I did what you said in your first sentence.......nuff said !!

 

[moreluck]

".....Id like someone on this board to specifically point out where bill ayers was arrested, charged, put on trial and convicted of anything in this country...?"

I did what you said in your first sentence.......Allrighty then, nuff said !! Your second post says, ".....You have demonstrated nothing, only an arrest ....."
Assignment complete!

You pooh pooh his arrest........I've never been arrested....my hubby has never been arrested....being arrested is serious stuff.

Reese's Pieces

 

[trplnkl]

Id like someone on this board to specifically point out where bill ayers was arrested, charged, put on trial and convicted of anything in this country...?

Lets see if anyone wants to step up to the plate and repeat something "fabricated" supplied by fox news, glen beck or the right wing.

Yes, everyone knows he belonged to a group called "the weathermen" named after a Bob Dylan lyric, but in the 60's, there was a ton of anti goverment sentiment towards our involvement in southeast asia.

Many groups formed during that period, and many of them merged, as in Bill Ayers case. Some did some pretty bad things, and some went to prison over them, but what I would like to see from our "informed" right wingers, is PROOF that Ayers did anything wrong, and sustained by a conviction.

The right wing smears Ayers and his wife, and looks beyond their college educations. Smearing both, and then its followers run around and repeat those smears without a single fact behind them.

Show us a conviction for anything related to terrorism, bombings, murder, or treason.

Im waiting.

Peace.

WOW, what a powerful, thought out and totally irrelevant rant. Good job.
Until YOU brought up the weatherman group, not ONE person made comment about Bill Ayers' past, about his wife or bombs. I brought up Bill Ayers' name to connect one more ultra liberal connection with Rick Ayers.

he doth protest too much, methinks

 

[The Other Side]

The problem I have with what was said by a few on this board (over and over on many threads) is the inclusion of Bill Ayers and somehow connecting him to bombings, murders, terrorism etc etc and NOT a shred of proof to confirm any allegations.

There are many on this board who merely "repeat" the claims made by glen beck who "vilify" AYERS on a daily basis and yet, not a single CHARGE for any crimes was EVER brought against Bill Ayers in this country. If he was involved in planning, creation and planting bombs, dont you think he would have been charged, arrested , tried and convicted for any of them?

Moreluck connects him to bombings of police stations, bombings of the pentagon and making bombs as "IF" it was common knowledge, yet, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that this is true.

Ayers is being connected to crimes by BECK merely by "ASSOCIATION", and this somehow suffices for a conviction and proof that he was indeed involved in terrorism.

All I am saying is do some fact checking before you smear a college professor with a substantial college education himself.

Ayers was arrested for a sit in at a draft board while protesting the involvement in the vietnam war, he was not charged, tried or convicted for this "crime" and was released.

The right wing on cable news and am radio simply uses repetition to make something "real". They use this tactic over and over, day in and day out until something that is exaggerated or untrue becomes true to the listener.

Once it becomes real to the listener, the listener then repeats this information as if they are speaking the truth.

Ayers was a protester of the federal government, there were millions of americans protesting the federal government in the united states during the 60's.

There were hundreds of protesting groups and some were violent, but how does this make Ayers a criminal or terrorist?

The government prosecuted those members of the weather underground (a hybrid of the weathermen) for any crimes against the country.

Moreluck uses a "partial" quote of Ayers (as BECK does) to make him appear as a terrorist.

"Ayers has claimed that he “doesn’t regret” setting the bombs, and that he feels “we didn’t do enough.” He later clarified that “we didn’t do enough” did not mean “we didn’t bomb enough ,” but that the nation didn’t do enough to oppose the war." `moreluck

Ayers intention was to point out the "ineffectiveness" of the weather undergrounds action against the federal government as no change in policies arose because of the actions of all the protest groups.

I am not defending his actions or the actions of the protesting groups, what I am saying is try to understand that Ayers was a rich white kid who opposed the vietnam war and was standing up for minorities. He and his cohorts were all rich educated white kids who came from rich families.

ayers:

”I don’t think you can understand a single thing we did without understanding the violence of the Vietnam War,” he said, and the fact that ”the enduring scar of racism was fully in flower.” Mr. Ayers pointed to Bob Kerrey, former Democratic Senator from Nebraska, who has admitted leading a raid in 1969 in which Vietnamese women and children were killed. ”He committed an act of terrorism,” Mr. Ayers said. ”we didn’t kill innocent people.”


Mr. Ayers has always been known as a ”rich kid radical.” His father, Thomas, now 86, was chairman and chief executive officer of Commonwealth Edison of Chicago, chairman of Northwestern University and of the Chicago Symphony. When someone mentions his father’s prominence, Mr. Ayers is quick to say that his father did not become wealthy until the son was a teenager. He says that he got some of his interest in social activism from his father. He notes that his father promoted racial equality in Chicago and was acceptable as a mediator to Mayor Richard Daley and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in 1966 when King marched in Cicero, Ill., to protest housing segregation.

Moreluck, what I asked for was a conviction, not supposition. That is what you posted.

Peace.

 

[brett636]

Moreluck,

Again, show a CONVICTION for planting a bomb, a CONVICTION for plotting a bomb, a CONVICTION for terrorism, a CONVICTION for murder, a CONVICTION for crimes against the government.

You show old news, arrested for a sit in at a draft board? Seriously, thats the best you can muster up?

Ayers was a rich white kid who was protesting the drafting of minority, (mainly black and hispanic kids) while rich white kids were overlooked in the draft, LIKE HIMSELF.

He was a white kid of priviledge, along with "other' white kids of priviledge, they spoke out against the governments practice of drafting POOR kids.... once all the groups in the 60's merged, some of them NOT AYERS, committed crimes, some serious, BUT AYERS was NEVER CHARGED, ARRESTED or TRIED for ANYTHING in this country.

He turned himself in because the government was looking for all weather underground members, YET it had NO CASE against AYERS for a SINGLE CRIME.

You have demonstrated nothing, only an arrest for a sit in at a draft board, and for that, you continue to smear the man without a single schred of proof.

Congratulations, the right wing has taught you well.

Peace.

Um, it doesn't take much digging to prove Bill Ayers admitted to plotting and planting those bombs. He freely admits to what he did and has even said he wish he did more.

 

[brett636]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/04/bill_ayers_speaks_about_the_we_1.asp

Quote from Bill Ayers

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

TOS- quit denying reality. The man is a self admitted terrorist and deserves the electric chair.

 

[moreluck]

Moreluck connects him to bombings of police stations, bombings of the pentagon and making bombs as "IF" it was common knowledge, yet, there is absolutely ZERO evidence that this is true.

If you don't take the man's own admission..........no proof is needed, cause that would make you impossible to deal with..

Maybe you also don't believe that Rev. Wright said, "gosh darn America."

Reese's pieces !

 

[island1fox]

Nah. I won't watch it because I know better. If my kids can't read, I don't have to point fingers at the school. Learning works better with parental involvement. Too many times there is none or sometimes actually parents can be a hinderance to the childs learning. Do whatever you want to fix the schools, but that isn't where the big problem lies.

An example of judging before knowing. This doc deals with poor minority parents that ARE involved with the education of their children but unlike many people such as Barack Obama they have no choice but to send their children to schools with tenor do not care teachers that are not teaching their children. Amazing that all of the politicians that support and throw money at the Public school system send thier children to PRIVATE schools--Clinton--Bush --Obama --and the "dance of rhe lemons" goes on and on . THAT is where the problem does lie.

 

[wkmac]

To add further to TOS's points on Bill Ayers, in April 2008, Bill Kauffman (Reason/The American Conservative) interviewed Carl Olgesby, former SDS President for Reason Magazine on SDS as well as The Weathermen. Ironically, not once did Carl ever mention the name Bill Ayers at all. For Bill to be such the bad guy, you'd think Carl would mention that would he not?

What I also find interesting is that across some of the radical left netsphere, there is a discussion that Ayers was not any true believer but in fact was a provocatuer under the cointelpro program. I find that even more interesting in that of late more and more claims are that Obama was CIA. These are interesting allegations at best and that along with $5 will get you coffee at Starbucks. Also Carl alludes to thinking the SDS was compromised by gov't agents but his was a feeling as it just made sense. Was the omission of the name of Ayers saying much more towards this subject? Who knows but at the very least, Carl's failure to mention Ayers was proof that Ayers was not important at all in the bigger scheme of things. I think Ayers at best is letting this run for it's PR value and instead of issues and principles the right feeds on it for it's own political value. Both sides in effect are profitting from a lie while once again the larger public is denied the truth.

Numerous good points TOS.

 

[Lue C Fur]

The Left wing MSM and radio simply uses repetition and lies to make something "real". They use this tactic over and over, day in and day out until something that is exaggerated or untrue becomes true to the listener.

Once it becomes real to the listener, the listener then repeats this information as if they are speaking the truth.

I fixed it for ya.

 

[moreluck]

Why in the heck is Bill even a topic.....is he running for something ??

 

[wkmac]

Why in the heck is Bill even a topic.....is he running for something ??

Because the established practice at BC is that after each page of posts, the subject matter must change to a completely un-related topic. Go read the BC TOS policy for yourself!

 

[The Other Side]

wkmac,

good points, great explanation. Ayers is nothing more than a political tool, used by the right wing to create a monster, when in fact, he was probably no more than a backroom observer to those really involved in crimes against america.

I dont support the groups, sds, weather underground and the like for their actions while protesting the vietnam war, however, if I was old enough at the time, I too would have protested the US involvement in vietnam.

I dont believe I would have reduced myself to planning or planting bombs, but I would use my voice and spoke out.

Bill Ayers became a topic when he was mentioned on this thread and as he is mentioned on every other obama bashing thread by right wing supporters on this site.

In his book, ayers made claims of involvement with radicals inside the underground, but later retracted those claims when called out by other members in the group with first hand knowledge. You cant point to his claims without also pointing out the retraction.

Peace.

 

[The Other Side]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/04/bill_ayers_speaks_about_the_we_1.asp

Quote from Bill Ayers

TOS- quit denying reality. The man is a self admitted terrorist and deserves the electric chair.

Brett,

do we execute people in this country without a trial? do we put to death people who use the first amendments protection of free speech without self incrimination? If he confessed to a crime Brett, how come he was NEVER charged or put on trial for those confessions? Hmmmmmmm?

Reality Brett, is on my side.

Peace.

 

[trplnkl]

Bill Ayers became a topic when he was mentioned on this thread and as he is mentioned on every other obama bashing thread by right wing supporters on this site.
So you felt the need to defend his reputation, although there was no mention of his involvement with any organization except ultra left liberals and his connection with 0 ? I should have left his name off and mentioned you.

In his book, ayers made claims of involvement with radicals inside the underground, but later retracted those claims when called out by other members in the group with first hand knowledge. You cant point to his claims without also pointing out the retraction.
So what you are saying here is at best Bill Ayers is a liar. He either lied when he wrote his book or when he recanted. What a hero.
Peace.

 

[moreluck]

"....I dont believe I would have reduced myself to planning or planting bombs...."

Gee, I would've said....."I definitely would not have.....etc...""

You kind of left a little room for doubt!!

 

[The Other Side]

Trip,

exactly, nothing more than an exaggerated liar. His association alone makes him guilty of nothing more than being a rich white kid who took on a cause to defend minorities. Those members above him conspired to make it worse while he sat back and watched.

Those of you who watch FOX , Beck and Hannity, use the name AYERS to somehow draw a radical parallel to Obama because you hate Obama. As I expected, NOT ONE of you on the right could demonstrate a conviction, a charge, a trial, an arrest or a moment where he was placed in custody for terrorism.

However, BECK always states that Ayers went to prison, then came out and returned to his "communist" ways despite the fact that Ayers never spent a day in prison.

NO one believes Ayers is a hero, Ayers is the republican boogey man, a creation of distortion and manipulation of facts. Thats all the republicans have to offer, BOOGEYMEN.

Becks 60 minutes worth of rants of communists, socialists and overthrows of governments isnt worth the time it takes to say it, but it serves a purpose, and that purpose is to keep those of you on the right "connected" to the message. That message may be complete B.S., but its your message nonetheless.

Bombarding FOX viewers with repetitious nonsense keeps your focus on things you cant prove, like Ayers.

Maybe, you all learned a lesson with Bill Ayers, he's nothing more than an exaggeration that the right wing used to make you believe you have it right. But you dont.

Case Closed.

Peace.

 

[moreluck]

Weird coincidence....caught the last few mins. of Beck waiting for the 3:00 news to come on and he was mentioning the names of Bernadine Dohrn....Tom Hayden
..etc
dejavu