zeev
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How soon.
Would FDXG Driver unionization help ISP's
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It will be fine
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2027 +\- 3yrs
They could do it today if not for the fact that Ground is under Taft Hartley and Express is under the RLA. Creating a new legislative and regulatory window for Express to crawl through will take some doing.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
In other words Fred would have to grease the right politicians with millions of dollars.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
2012%, because 2012 was when it was supposed to happen according to people who posted here and saw all the internal documents detailing how it was going to happen.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
They could do it today if they wanted to do so. RLA and Taft Hartley have nothing to do with it.
zeev
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I agree if ground drivers are independent contractors how could they ever be unionized.
Oldfart
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bacha is a regular Morgan and Morgan.
McFeely
Huge Member
Shhh. The adults are talking.
Oldfart
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Yet they let you out of your room.
I can remember when not so long ago you said it did. If not then what's stopping it? Managers have told me that one of the drivers behind go back to all purple and orange colors was that customers especially shipping receivers want everything both express and ground to be delivered in one trip. They're tired of having both of them running in and out the place all day long. Having trucks the same color isn't going to do much in that regard but it's a first step. Expect the next step to be some type consolidated truck numbering system.
Don't worry the contractor model isn't going away. The economy of the model will continue to be exploited to the fullest possible extent but there will continue to be efforts undertaken to hide and disguise contractors existence.
Ground has always been treated like it was a prominent person's illegitimate kid that he had to a piece of trailer trash but in the end finally had to acknowledge it when unpaid child support issues became public knowledge.
The profitability of Ground is that illegitimate kid in this situation.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
Nope.
Degree of control needed to effectively have the air/ground operations working together.
LOL! "Hi, FedEx? Yeah, could y'all consolidate Ground and Express? We'd like our receiving guy to run in and out ONE LESS TIME per day. Thanks."
If you say so.
OK.
What does your therapist say?
Drivers aren't contractors. They are already employees by fedex mandate. It would be possible for drivers to join a union. The real question is whether or not they could unionize as fedex employees as a group, maybe a few drivers from different ISPs could petition a court (maybe NLRB) to find that fedex is the actual employer, or that fedex is a co-employer. Fedex ISPs could maybe claim to be fedex managers and employees, thus able to unionize since fedex still exercises a huge amount of control, along with some other employee/contractor issues.
Fedex requires that ISP uses employees, not subcontractors, and doesn't allow ISP to use any delivery option to get the package delivered. Fedex limits ISP use of their own vehicles when fedex packages are on board. Whether uniform usage is a real choice or not is questionable, and use of fedex mandated scanning equipment, with fedex keeping absolute control of who the ISP can hire are all some issues with fedex claiming that the ISP is not an employee, but fedex has the deep pockets to make the issue almost moot concerning the ISP. The drivers being able to unionize is simpler. Yes they can, but would likely be out of a job with recourse taking a decade or more, and little to win in damages.
1. You did so
2. They already have absolute control over everything including people who aren't even their employees.
3.. I had to listen more more waaaing than you can shake a stick at from receivers about having to open up their receiving logs two or more times a day for X
when with UPS and USPS it was one and done.
4. Got that info off the record from management
5. You never worked for Ground you wouldn't understand.
6. Now being that you are the resident authority answer this question: If a Express and Ground were to merge under what governing legal authority would
they operate under?...... Taft Hartley? ......RLA?
Spot on Dmac: As we said earlier. The life of an ISP contractor is one of absolute servitude. The idea is to try to get as much value out of an XG contract as you can get and still be able to find somebody who still sees future value sufficient to give you money for it. And as you know the question is what if anything will they be worth a few years down the road?
As for ISP drivers petitioning for a union election. Like you say that there isn't enough potential gain known for certain to create a strong enough movement. The biggest challenge facing ISP's will continue to be turnover. And as you know if you can't procure enough operators to man your trucks for the money X wants to pay that's just too bad for you . It's an impossible situation.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
Dano will avoid those questions or else use the the baffle with BS approach. Just like FedEx management would.
MAKAVELI
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It's less about the the customer than what would be the most efficient and adaptable. The UPS model is what FedEx would move to if any major changes would occur in the FedEx system.
And risk unionization? No.
MAKAVELI
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At this point I really don't think FedEx is worried about unionization. Teamsters have tried numerous times to unionize Express and Freight and have failed miserably.
dvalleyjim
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yep, unions seem to be on the way out.
