You don't HAVE to work

[rickyb]

What is your plan to make that happen?

Forget. spreading the idea is a good start. why does italy have so many coops? marcora law would help

 

[rickyb]

UPS would be out of business by next week if that happened.

No. this biz model more likely to succeed vs capitalism

 

[rickyb]

You beef with capitalism is nonsensical. The fact you can communicate your anti-capitalist messages on a device called a computer (or phone) only exists because of capitalism. The seat you're sitting on only exists because of capitalism. And of course every last thing you own and eat is do to it.

Govt invented internet. they also invented computer tech in part. ur welcome

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Forget. spreading the idea is a good start. why does italy have so many coops? marcora law would help

Why does Italy have so many co-ops? Did employees seize corporations? Or did they just start co-ops?

 

[Made brown]

Govt invented internet. they also invented computer tech in part. ur welcome

I thought Al Gore invented the internet?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Govt invented internet. they also invented computer tech in part. ur welcome

It's weird that you are identifying with institutions of centrally concentrated power, since you oppose concentrated power. You also believe a lot of information coming from government institutions you acknowledge are corrupt.

 

[clean hairy]

Because it seems so wrong to leave you guys without my wisdom.

Gee, thanks Dave

 

[rickyb]

It's weird that you are identifying with institutions of centrally concentrated power, since you oppose concentrated power. You also believe a lot of information coming from government institutions you acknowledge are corrupt.

Govt is centralized and not that democratic but it doesnt have to be.

 

[rickyb]

I thought Al Gore invented the internet?

Al gore had 8 years to do something about global warming

 

[rickyb]

Why does Italy have so many co-ops? Did employees seize corporations? Or did they just start co-ops?

Marcora law is one reason. not sure the others. think cia and brits came in after ww2 to bust it up

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Govt is centralized and not that democratic but it doesnt have to be.

But your posts make it sound like you approve of centralized power in government, while calling for decentralization. You understand that you're sending mixed messages, don't you?

 

[rickyb]

But your posts make it sound like you approve of centralized power in government, while calling for decentralization. You understand that you're sending mixed messages, don't you?

Govt doesnt have to be centralized. nor does the economy. Dont u have conflicting views on capitalism?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Govt doesnt have to be centralized. nor does the economy. Dont u have conflicting views on capitalism?

Nope. You just think corporations are capitalism, that's why you think my views are conflicting.

 

[rickyb]

Nope. You just think corporations are capitalism, that's why you think my views are conflicting.

Capitalism also centralizes power

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Capitalism also centralizes power

People centralize power. The real danger is when the private sector and the government collude to centralize power.

The co-ops in Italy, btw, are still capitalistic. They require a minimum buy in (investment) for each owner/employee. But the government offers services to help make the employee buy out process more streamlined and accessible. The US has small business development services, which is similar. I have never had an issue with co-ops, other than I don't think they are generally as efficient as corporate structure, but corporate structure has its drawbacks, so loss of efficiency may be a reasonable trade off. Co-ops just aren't the same thing as socialism.

 

[rickyb]

People centralize power. The real danger is when the private sector and the government collude to centralize power.

The co-ops in Italy, btw, are still capitalistic. They require a minimum buy in (investment) for each owner/employee. But the government offers services to help make the employee buy out process more streamlined and accessible. The US has small business development services, which is similar. I have never had an issue with co-ops, other than I don't think they are generally as efficient as corporate structure, but corporate structure has its drawbacks, so loss of efficiency may be a reasonable trade off. Co-ops just aren't the same thing as socialism.

No one i listen to says coops are capitalistic although they can have some of the bad traits like pollution. we disagree on defs

 

[zubenelgenubi]

No one i listen to says coops are capitalistic although they can have some of the bad traits like pollution. we disagree on defs

Then no one you listen to knows what capitalism is.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

You beef with capitalism is nonsensical. The fact you can communicate your anti-capitalist messages on a device called a computer (or phone) only exists because of capitalism. The seat you're sitting on only exists because of capitalism. And of course every last thing you own and eat is do to it.

Literally everything you said is wrong

 

[rickyb]

Then no one you listen to knows what capitalism is.

Or theyre all right...

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Or theyre all right...

No, that's not it.