Obamacare

HBGPreloader

Well-Known Member
My .02

Obamacare saved my daughter's life. She has a chronic debilitating health condition and was able to get that condition stabilized enough to continue her employment by being able to go back onto my health insurance until she turned 26.

Obamacare is saving my wifes company money. She is the Finance and Human Resources manager for a company that employs 23 people. She writes the check to the insurance company that covers her employees. The cost to her company has decreased by 8% under Obamacare and the coverage being offered has improved.

Is Obamacare perfect? No. But it is an improvement over what was happening before. It would be a lot better if the Republicans had been able to put partisan politics aside and cooperate with the Democrats on the issue of improving our nation's healthcare system. But most Republicans would rather see people die from lack of insurance than to allow "the Kenyan" to take credit for anything.
Even before obamacare, Pa residents could keep their children on their policy until they turned 26.

No, obamacare isn't saving your wive's company money. The Taxpayers are stuck subsidizing the cost of their healthcare coverage.

And,before you claim or try to blame republicans for this monstrosity, I would suggest you read this article...
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/still-on-the-table/

As the article noted, and contrary to what "gruber voters" claim, there were republican and bipartisan healthcare proposals. However, you never really heard about them because democrat obstructionists reid and pelosi would not introduce those bills or allow them to be debated.

So, the blame for this nearly $2 trillion dollar monstrosity - that increases both deficits and debt- rests entirely on the democrats' shoulders.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Even before obamacare, Pa residents could keep their children on their policy until they turned 26.

No, obamacare isn't saving your wive's company money. The Taxpayers are stuck subsidizing the cost of their healthcare coverage.

And,before you claim or try to blame republicans for this monstrosity, I would suggest you read this article...
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/still-on-the-table/

As the article noted, and contrary to what "gruber voters" claim, there were republican and bipartisan healthcare proposals. However, you never really heard about them because democrat obstructionists reid and pelosi would not introduce those bills or allow them to be debated.

So, the blame for this nearly $2 trillion dollar monstrosity - that increases both deficits and debt- rests entirely on the democrats' shoulders.
So what if republican proposals didn'ake it in. It was a republican concept in the first place.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
So what if republican proposals didn'ake it in. It was a republican concept in the first place.
Not the monstrosity that ialthcs obamacare.

There have always been proposals to make healthcare more affordable.

But you go ahead a jump to blaming Republicans.

Like you always do.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Not the monstrosity that ialthcs obamacare.

There have always been proposals to make healthcare more affordable.

But you go ahead a jump to blaming Republicans.

Like you always do.
Republicans had many chances to pick up the Nixon mantle and refused to do so.
 

HBGPreloader

Well-Known Member
You can't call it a republican idea when republicans were excluded from the entire process.
The democrats created this monstrosity. An, they need to own up to it.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
You can't call it a republican idea when republicans were excluded from the entire process.
The democrats created this monstrosity. An, they need to own up to it.
Of course I can. When it's far closer to Romney or Nixon than to Hillary, I'm comfortable calling it a republican concept. Why are you running away from that?
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
You can't call it a republican idea when republicans were excluded from the entire process.
The democrats created this monstrosity. An, they need to own up to it.
As far as owning it, absolutely. And when republicans finally get past crazy mode, they will quietly get around to making it better as time goes on.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
So what if republican proposals didn'ake it in. It was a republican concept in the first place.

When so-called HillaryCare became public knowledge back in the early days of the Clinton era, CNBC was discussing the reaction of Wall Street to the idea and most guests were supportive of some kind of public healthcare idea. Jack Smith who had just replaced Robert Stempel as General Motors CEO joined the discussion and stood in support of a public healthcare approach. He argued at the time the costs of healthcare for both current workers and to retirees and how longterm that will negatively effect both GM and business America in general. 22 years later, as to cause he's been proven right.

At the time I was surprised to hear the leader of one of American capitalism's biggest icons argue for what I saw as a form of socialized medicine. It wasn't until later that I came to learn that much of what some might call "the march into American socialism" were often not only led by the masters of American Capitalism but these same masters often wrote the very legislation on which said socialism is built.

Take FDR's New Deal, specifically the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) and the capitalists behind that.

The National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) was a law passed by the United States Congress in 1933 to authorize the President to regulate industry in an attempt to raise prices after severe deflation and stimulate economic recovery.[1] It also established a national public works program known as the Public Works Administration (PWA, not to be confused with the WPA of 1935).[2] The National Recovery Administration (NRA) portion was widely hailed in 1933, but by 1934 business' opinion of the act had soured.[3] By March 1934 the "NRA was engaged chiefly in drawing up these industrial codes for all industries to adopt."[4] However, the NIRA was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1935 and not replaced.[3][5][6]

continuing:

The Depression began in the United States in October 1929 and grew steadily worse to its nadir in early 1933.[3][6][20] President Herbert Hoover feared that too much intervention or coercion by the government would destroy individuality and self-reliance, which he considered to be important American values. His laissez-faire views appeared to be shared by the Secretary of the Treasury Andrew W. Mellon.[21] To combat with the growing economic decline, Hoover organized a number of voluntary measures with businesses, encouraged state and local government responses, and accelerated federal building projects.[21] However his policies had little or no effect on economic recovery.[3][6][22] Toward the end of his term, however, Hoover supported several legislative solutions which he felt might lift the country out of the depression. The final attempt of the Hoover administration to rescue the economy was the passage of the Emergency Relief and Construction Act (which provided funds for public works programs) and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) (which provided low-interest loans to businesses).[3][6][21][22]

Hoover was defeated for re-election by Roosevelt in the 1932 presidential election. Roosevelt was convinced that federal activism was needed to reverse the country's economic decline. In his first hundred days in office, the Congress enacted at Roosevelt's request a series of bills designed to strengthen the banking system, including the Emergency Banking Act, the Glass–Steagall Act (which created the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation), and the 1933 Banking Act.[3][6] The Congress also passed the Agricultural Adjustment Act to stabilize the nation's agricultural industry.[3][6]

continuing:

By May 1933, two draft bills had emerged, a cautious and legalistic one by John Dickinson (Under Secretary of Commerce) and an ambitious one focusing on trade associations by Hugh Johnson.[9][25] Many leading businessmen—including Gerard Swope (head of General Electric), Charles M. Schwab (chairman of Bethlehem Steel Corporation), E. H. Harriman (chairman of the Union Pacific Railroad), and Henry I. Harriman, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce—helped draft the legislation.[6][25] A two-part bill, the first section promoting cooperative action among business to achieve fair competition and provide for national planning and a second section establishing a national public works program, was submitted to Congress on May 15, 1933.[27]

source
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
When so-called HillaryCare became public knowledge back in the early days of the Clinton era, CNBC was discussing the reaction of Wall Street to the idea and most guests were supportive of some kind of public healthcare idea. Jack Smith who had just replaced Robert Stempel as General Motors CEO joined the discussion and stood in support of a public healthcare approach. He argued at the time the costs of healthcare for both current workers and to retirees and how longterm that will negatively effect both GM and business America in general. 22 years later, as to cause he's been proven right.

At the time I was surprised to hear the leader of one of American capitalism's biggest icons argue for what I saw as a form of socialized medicine. It wasn't until later that I came to learn that much of what some might call "the march into American socialism" were often not only led by the masters of American Capitalism but these same masters often wrote the very legislation on which said socialism is built.

Take FDR's New Deal, specifically the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) and the capitalists behind that.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Obamacare_Pee_in_SwimmingPool.jpg
 

oldngray

nowhere special
All Americans who bought health insurance policies this year – not just those enrolled in Obamacare – face a 41 percent increase in excise taxes because of hidden fees contained in an obscure section of the Affordable Care Act, according to an investigation by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Virtually everyone who pays for health care insurance this year will be affected by the tax. The little-known tax was imposed on all consumers regardless of whether they obtained their insurance through Obamacare or through their employer or as individuals in the private market.

This year the tax will cost individuals more than $500 in extra premiums according to one actuarial estimate. Families who purchased insurance will see their premiums go up by more than $700.

The tax was buried by congressional authors in section 9010 of the law and was envisioned as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare.

The Obamacare fees were designed by the program’s authors to be delayed, kicking in only in 2014 at $8 billion and mushrooming into a $14.3 billion annual price tag on insurance policies by 2018.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/09/everybody-has-to-pay-this-new-obamacare-tax/
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
All Americans who bought health insurance policies this year – not just those enrolled in Obamacare – face a 41 percent increase in excise taxes because of hidden fees contained in an obscure section of the Affordable Care Act, according to an investigation by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Virtually everyone who pays for health care insurance this year will be affected by the tax. The little-known tax was imposed on all consumers regardless of whether they obtained their insurance through Obamacare or through their employer or as individuals in the private market.

This year the tax will cost individuals more than $500 in extra premiums according to one actuarial estimate. Families who purchased insurance will see their premiums go up by more than $700.

The tax was buried by congressional authors in section 9010 of the law and was envisioned as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare.

The Obamacare fees were designed by the program’s authors to be delayed, kicking in only in 2014 at $8 billion and mushrooming into a $14.3 billion annual price tag on insurance policies by 2018.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/09/everybody-has-to-pay-this-new-obamacare-tax/
This kind of crap will be unveiled until 2020, when all the parts of Obamacare will e unleashed!!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Earlier this year, the Obama administration reported that 12.7 million had signed up for insurance on the exchanges. Roughly 22 percent of those individuals have since dropped coverage for various reasons, leaving 9.9 million paying customers on the exchanges as of the end of June.

The number of paying customers is still declining but will be in the range of 9.1-9.9 million, which the Obama administration said was their enrollment estimate for 2015. That estimate is significantly below earlier CBO projections which projected enrollment of around 13 million by the end of 2015.

One factor that impacted the decline was cutting off 423,000 enrollees who were unable to provide proof of citizenship.

Even if the enrollment does meet revised projections for 2015, enrollment will need to double to meet the 21 million projection for next year. Some analysts predict enrollment will jump as the full force of the mandate kicks in for 2016 (a penalty of $695 or 2.5 percent of income).
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
An Obamacare Co-Op in South Carolina has agreed to close its doors at the end of 2015. Consumers’ Choice Health Plan is the 9th Obamacare Co-Op to close this year out of 23 originally launched with low-interest government loans under the Affordable Care Act.

After consultation with state and federal regulators, Consumers’ Choice agreed its already poor financial situation could “worsen significantly.”
The Co-Op decided to announce the coming closure now in order to give its 67,000 customers a chance to find new insurance during the open enrollment period which beings next month. Consumers’ Choice will continue to pay claims for its existing customers until the end of 2015.

Co-Ops in Colorado, Iowa/Nebraska, Louisiana, New York, Nevada, Tennessee, Oregon and Kentucky have already closed this year.
 
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