710 Votes No - 3 to 1 margin

[Addison Feeder Driver]

Thank you 710 members for standing up for our rights. Maybe they can tweak the Healthcare and put full time pay on par with the non union seasonal workers. As is, it takes 3 years before a full time driver reaches the pay rate they are paying the seasonal drivers. Not to mention the seasonal drivers get paid hourly even for mileage runs so they rack up a lot more overtime.

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[PiedmontSteward]

Good. Two tiered scheduling is bull and the members need to send a message to the company that we won't accept this -- not in Illinois in 2014 and not in the National Agreement in 2018.

 

[Bubblehead]

Shows you how confident UPS is.
How in the world was this agreement ever brought to the membership, unless it was a last and final offer?
UPS is thinking extension, again, whoopty do, why not?
Continue to reap record profits under the previous contract?
Isn't it obvious, the company doesn't care either way?
Just bolsters my theory that it wasn't the company that wanted out of the health care business, rather the IBT that wanted to bolster theirs, a plan that Hoffa Jr admitted was "unsustainable" under the ACA in a letter to Democratic leaders last year.

 

[Booblebrown]

Not to mention some pension reform. We are currently contributing 401.00 per FT employee per week into this weak pension plan. Not to be overlooked is that they have raised the contributions 30% by the end of this contract to 601.00 per week. That absurd amount comes to 31,252.00 per year for every FT employee. If you retire with a 25 yr pension that's 33,600.00 less (of course) taxes and health care premiums. Hardly a return on our investment for all of the hard work we do. If they can't invest it properly, maybe we need to take a chunk of that money and put it in our 401k. We have worked hard and have the right to retire. Back in 90, we contributed 93.00 per week per FT for a total of 4836.00 per year. And in in 2018 it will be 31,252.00 with only 1 small increase. Whats wrong with this picture

 

[Brownslave688]

Not to mention some pension reform. We are currently contributing 401.00 per FT employee per week into this weak pension plan. Not to be overlooked is that they have raised the contributions 30% by the end of this contract to 601.00 per week. That absurd amount comes to 31,252.00 per year for every FT employee. If you retire with a 25 yr pension that's 33,600.00 less (of course) taxes and health care premiums. Hardly a return on our investment for all of the hard work we do. If they can't invest it properly, maybe we need to take a chunk of that money and put it in our 401k. We have worked hard and have the right to retire. Back in 90, we contributed 93.00 per week per FT for a total of 4836.00 per year. And in in 2018 it will be 31,252.00 with only 1 small increase. Whats wrong with this picture

I heard u all haven't had a pension increase in 20 years? I'm not saying you don't deserve one but the big problem was under paying into the system and over promising in the 70's and 80's. maybe before I don't know.

 

[Bubblehead]

I heard u all haven't had a pension increase in 20 years? I'm not saying you don't deserve one but the big problem was under paying into the system and over promising in the 70's and 80's. maybe before I don't know.

If Booblebrown has their figures right, it has nothing to do with the 70's or 80's, somebody is stealing from them.

 

[Booblebrown]

Those numbers come right from the contract books

 

[Brownslave688]

If Booblebrown has their figures right, it has nothing to do with the 70's or 80's, somebody is stealing from them.

Yeah it's pathetic really. Give me 30 grand a year into my retirement and I'll retire a millionaire many times over. Hell do nothing with the 30k and in 35 years you're a millionaire anyway.

 

[island1fox]

Yeah it's pathetic really. Give me 30 grand a year into my retirement and I'll retire a millionaire many times over. Hell do nothing with the 30k and in 35 years you're a millionaire anyway.

Brownslave,

Could the problem be a " shared brotherhood" or another way of saying it socialism ----??

Is YOUR 30k a year being invested for YOUR retirement --or is it being shared by the many in THEIR retirements ??

 

[Brownslave688]

Brownslave,

Could the problem be a " shared brotherhood" or another way of saying it socialism ----??

Is YOUR 30k a year being invested for YOUR retirement --or is it being shared by the many in THEIR retirements ??

I understand how it works. It's no different than social security. The people who are responsible with their money are punished to make up or the ones go blow through it all.

 

[slantnosechevy]

Think of all the guys especially in Feeders over the years who worked past the 35 year pension cap. The company is still paying into the plan on their behalf yet they don't see the money.

 

[Brownslave688]

Think of all the guys especially in Feeders over the years who worked past the 35 year pension cap. The company is still paying into the plan on their behalf yet they don't see the money.

Come to local 688. We don't ever cap out.

 

[upschuck]

Think of all the guys especially in Feeders over the years who worked past the 35 year pension cap. The company is still paying into the plan on their behalf yet they don't see the money.

That only applies to the years of service pension. If you go by the accrual method, which anyone close to 62 would use, then there is no limit.

(2) The benefit formula for current or future full-time employees who are participants in the UPS/IBT Plan will be as set forth below for each year of future service (hours worked in Covered Employment on or after the effective date) up to a maximum of thirty-five (35) years of Credited Service (such limitation is only applicable to service pensions). This benefit is unreduced if payable at Normal Retirement Age (age 65) and 5 years of vesting service or at age 62 with 20 years of Credited Service. Benefit payments may begin as early as Early Retirement Age (age 50 with five years of vesting service) and are reduced 6% per year for each year and partial year prior to Normal Retirement Age. There shall be no reduction or change in the level of benefits described herein unless negotiated and agreed to by the Union.

 

[grspancho]

Good. Two tiered scheduling is bull and the members need to send a message to the company that we won't accept this -- not in Illinois in 2014 and not in the National Agreement in 2018.

I agree and a I also I think 710 isn't more special than local 20 which doesn't have 30 and out at any age with health insurance and your teamster president making over 400,000 a year. All teamsters should be all at the same amount across the united states-pensions, wages and health - everybody on the same team.

 

[Addison Feeder Driver]

The reason why there is a pension cap and that we haven't received a pension increase in a decade is that every pension is under funded. Under new laws every pension has to be 100% funded. That means they can't rely on new employees to pay your pension, the money has to already be in the fund when you retire. The number of Teamsters has gone down significantly over the last ten years. I blame some of it on organizing. The union has to do a better job of organizing new drivers. If Fed Ex was organized it would take care of all our pension problems.
The other problem is that the National contract passed so easily. I'm insulted by the concessions in this proposal and disappointed in whoever voted yes because they allowed this contract to pass. Once National passes it limits what other locals can do to make changes.

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[Stonefish]

The reason why there is a pension cap and that we haven't received a pension increase in a decade is that every pension is under funded. Under new laws every pension has to be 100% funded. That means they can't rely on new employees to pay your pension, the money has to already be in the fund when you retire. The number of Teamsters has gone down significantly over the last ten years. I blame some of it on organizing. The union has to do a better job of organizing new drivers. If Fed Ex was organized it would take care of all our pension problems.
The other problem is that the National contract passed so easily. I'm insulted by the concessions in this proposal and disappointed in whoever voted yes because they allowed this contract to pass. Once National passes it limits what other locals can do to make changes.

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I agree with you 100% on the organizing. Every union member is an organizer but it surely doesn't help when people are out on the street bad rapping the union. Instead of saying the union is screwing us they should be talking about the benefits of being in the union

 

[Brown Dog]

Not to mention some pension reform. We are currently contributing 401.00 per FT employee per week into this weak pension plan. Not to be overlooked is that they have raised the contributions 30% by the end of this contract to 601.00 per week. That absurd amount comes to 31,252.00 per year for every FT employee. If you retire with a 25 yr pension that's 33,600.00 less (of course) taxes and health care premiums. Hardly a return on our investment for all of the hard work we do. If they can't invest it properly, maybe we need to take a chunk of that money and put it in our 401k. We have worked hard and have the right to retire. Back in 90, we contributed 93.00 per week per FT for a total of 4836.00 per year. And in in 2018 it will be 31,252.00 with only 1 small increase. Whats wrong with this picture

 

[Brown Dog]

Excellent points, alot of $ being put out by UPS towards our pension but nobody wants to talk about where it's going. Where it's not coming is back to the employees. Teamster representatives seemed rather smug about any talk about pension at last several meetings. Even going so far as saying, maybe next contract we can talk about it. Well I guess the dues paying members are saying, We need to talk about it NOW!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Excellent points, alot of $ being put out by UPS towards our pension but nobody wants to talk about where it's going. Where it's not coming is back to the employees. Teamster representatives seemed rather smug about any talk about pension at last several meetings. Even going so far as saying, maybe next contract we can talk about it. Well I guess the dues paying members are saying, We need to talk about it NOW!

Got that right! Its our money! Not the teamsters....welfare/ slush fund. They dont want to give up the power and kickback money!....Hey Hoffa...Thats our money....not yours!

 

[Bubblehead]

I agree with you 100% on the organizing. Every union member is an organizer but it surely doesn't help when people are out on the street bad rapping the union. Instead of saying the union is screwing us they should be talking about the benefits of being in the union

It's always been hard to sell yesterdays ice water.