A Repeat of 1997

[badpal]

That's BEFORE AMAZON AND UPS MOVED A LARGER FRACTION OF THE NATION'S GDP .

And people forget FDX ground didn't exist and the PO could barely handle an overstuffed envelope.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

And people forget FDX ground didn't exist and the PO could barely handle an overstuffed envelope.

It also would open up the door for Amazon to start delivering our packages

 

[MyTripisCut]

It also would open up the door for Amazon to start delivering our packages

Wait, don’t we deliver their packages?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Wait, don’t we deliver their packages?

For now we do

 

[Seymour Packages]

We get along.

You still work for them? Why?



I voted against it too. Voting against a contract and striking are very different things.

I still work for them because of the wages and benefits that my union has negotiated for me. Make no mistake, I'm not asking for a "thank you." I don't even want to "get along". Just give me my 8 hours, provide me with the tools to do my job, and leave me alone. What I won't stand for is the rampant abuse, harassment, and general scumbaggery this company participates in on a daily basis, and continues to get away thanks to bootlicking union members. Thankfully my local buries this company in legitimate grievances, enforces the contract to the letter, and has strong shop stewards throughout the local. It isn't like that everywhere. Some places have union members kissing so much management ass that they need Vaseline to keep their lips from drying out. If you died on the job today or tomorrow, you may get a mention at the PCM. That's it. Forget "getting along." Screw them and their toxic work environment. And if they have the gall to try and screw us on this next contract, we will bring them to their knees again. Thankfully Carol doesn't seem like the fighting type.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Never happen. Company owns the union. Union leadership works for UPS, not for the members.

I hope Big UPS Man doesn't see this....lol.

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

Keep underestimating this company. The biggest enemies of progress are comfort and complacency. Small concessions over time lead to a trash job in the future. EVERYTHING we enjoy as UPS employees has been fought for by the union. Nothing we have was given to us by the graciousness of this scumbag organization's heart. Stay vigilant.

And that same union allowed all the instrumentation to be put into place to easily replace a striking workforce with a bunch of scabs. Orion, mapnav, 22.4s etc. Say what you will about Amazon drivers and their professionalism but they fielded thousands of vehicles and thousands of drivers in short order and they’re moving volume. People don’t care about the look of their driver or customer service anymore. They just want their crap. UPS signs the checks, everything I have is from the graciousness of their scumbaggy heart.

 

[Seymour Packages]

And that same union allowed all the instrumentation to be put into place to easily replace a striking workforce with a bunch of scabs. Orion, mapnav, 22.4s etc. Say what you will about Amazon drivers and their professionalism but they fielded thousands of vehicles and thousands of drivers in short order and they’re moving volume. People don’t care about the look of their driver or customer service anymore. They just want their crap. UPS signs the checks, everything I have is from the graciousness of their scumbaggy heart.

I'm sure UPS is thrilled to pay 100K + to deliver cardboard and not be able to terminate you due to production or electronics (solely). We would be making Amazon and Fedex wages if it wasn't for the union. Understand that. You and I are UPS' most valuable asset. The moment you stop believing that, you turn into a scared bootlicker just happy to have a job. The amount on your checks that, UPS so graciously signs, is as high as it is because of people that had the forethought and balls to negotiate for that.

 

[Up In Smoke]

I'm not sure how many of you paid attention to the Memorandums of Understanding. The big change I saw was the company's insistence not to extend the joint maintenance of the pension funds beyond 2023. This is a change from 10 years per contract down to 5. Does this signal the company's desire to withdraw completely? The pensions will be a major negotiation topic.

 

[Red Devil]

22.4s will still be running with no clue what's up next year. Half don't even know what a union is. Doubt they will play a role this contract. Union sure won't push wage equality...they created the 22.4 position.

One day a 22.4 will be President of the IBT! Then we will show them.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I voted against it too. Voting against a contract and striking are very different things.

Indeed, very different, but I'm not a half-way kinda guy. I was willing to strike to keep the 22.4 language out of the contract as it was.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I'm not sure how many of you paid attention to the Memorandums of Understanding. The big change I saw was the company's insistence not to extend the joint maintenance of the pension funds beyond 2023. This is a change from 10 years per contract down to 5. Does this signal the company's desire to withdraw completely? The pensions will be a major negotiation topic.

I already hear people talk about how they would much rather have a 401k company contribution than a pension.

 

[oldngray]

I already hear people talk about how they would much rather have a 401k company contribution than a pension.

That would be great if they rolled over past years of pension credit into 401k's. But that will never happen.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I'm not sure how many of you paid attention to the Memorandums of Understanding. The big change I saw was the company's insistence not to extend the joint maintenance of the pension funds beyond 2023.

That's not what is says.... or means.


Memorandum of Understanding

"United Parcel Service, Inc. (Ohio and New York Corporation), as a demonstration of its commitment to maintaining jointly administered Teamster pension benefit plans, and to enhance the long term stability of pension coverage for its employees represented by Teamster Local Unions, agrees that for a period of five 5 years from the effective date of the National Master Agreement, it will not solicit any signatory Local Union to change pension plans, either by proposing such change during future negotiations of the National Master Agreement or by encouraging its employees to advocate withdrawal from participation in their current pension plan."

 

[Brownslave688]

You think any of us voted down the last contract over our pay?

Well raises arent keeping up with inflation. So some should.

 

[Up In Smoke]

That's not what is says.... or means.


Memorandum of Understanding

"United Parcel Service, Inc. (Ohio and New York Corporation), as a demonstration of its commitment to maintaining jointly administered Teamster pension benefit plans, and to enhance the long term stability of pension coverage for its employees represented by Teamster Local Unions, agrees that for a period of five 5 years from the effective date of the National Master Agreement, it will not solicit any signatory Local Union to change pension plans, either by proposing such change during future negotiations of the National Master Agreement or by encouraging its employees to advocate withdrawal from participation in their current pension plan."

Why was the company adamant about changing from 10 years to 5 years?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Isn't their "phone" their DIAD? Or some company provided device? When I see them doing that on the way up to the porch they are using their app and then take a pic of the delivery.

Our DIADs do have a camera already. I'm not sure why its not activated

 

[burrheadd]

Our DIADs do have a camera already. I'm not sure why its not activated

to whom? he can't even be bothered to hold his pants up. what does he care about your package, he's already making plans for next weekend.

Because if your old haggard mug got in the pic it would destroy itself like the tape recorder on mission impossible

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Because if your old haggard mug got in the pic it would destroy itself like the tape recorder on mission impossible

At least it wouldn't get the glare from the top of my head.....

 

[1989]

Well raises arent keeping up with inflation. So some should.

So far they are. 90c coming in 5 months.