BAD NEWS: UPS just threatened to train "new hires" so they don't have to raise wages

[PT Car Washer]

Raising the starting wage by 10$ and giving everyone else catch-up raises is just a couple of dollars? I never said just UPS workers. I said across the board as in for everyone in the country. If you want your raises fine. Don’t expect new hires and expect part time job titles at the company to not exist in the future. Again I point to cashiers and fast food workers being replaced with computers as a prime example of people being replaced with machines for asking for too much money.

Very few PT Union members will be receiving a $10/hr pay increase. At my building everyone is making at least $19 or $20/hr. Except for those taking a 22.3 job. They go down to $16/hr.

 

[eats packages]

Yeah, that stayed for quite awhile.

Not saying current PT's shouldn't be paid more, but when current PT loaders try to compare to PT loaders before EDD..they likely have no idea how it was.

Imagine current loaders having to keep track of stop counts for each PC along with not having a neat little label telling them what PC each package goes on AND what shelf and location.

It was different times, our "skilled labor" was a bit different.

There was no going to another pull and cleaning up quick, you stood there in front of a monster pile of boxes picking through very slowly.

So $9 hr starting was a good rate, but you definitely worked for it. EDD was huge help for preloaders for sure.

Only way edd works is if the preloader and all 3/4 drivers sat down with a whole months' history and set up the entire sequence like... bianually. And even then It would make sense to have charts for bulk movements like where do the 30 bookstore pieces go?

 

[Johney]

Very few PT Union members will be receiving a $10/hr pay increase. At my building everyone is making at least $19 or $20/hr. Except for those taking a 22.3 job. They go down to $16/hr.

What 22.3 job pays $16 an hour? I’m just curious, because here I believe it’s around $35. I was making $35 as a 22.3 shifter when I retired.

 

[PT Car Washer]

What 22.3 job pays $16 an hour? I’m just curious, because here I believe it’s around $35. I was making $35 as a 22.3 shifter when I retired.

Starting 22.3 rate. I personally know several that were dropped down. Said they made more per week working PT.

 

[nWo]

Seems the hang up on the final 5% of the contract is part time pay increases. Also seems like all the gun ho strikers are part timers as well, with nothing to lose. When I was inside all the long term part timers were business owners who couldn’t afford healthcare or guys that worked full time jobs with bad benefits. There’s a mindset in these 20 something’s that they’re entitled to anything and everything without putting an ounce of sweat into it. I’m sick of it. I’ve been saying it for years, there needs to be a FT and PT contract. The wants and needs are completely different. PT outnumbers FT probably 3-1 and have a disproportionate amount of power to throw contract negotiations into disarray with their larger vote count when FTs have way more to lose or gain in the long haul.

Could you cry anymore? Good Lord.

 

[nWo]

What do you all think a separate contract for ft and pt would do?

 

[Johney]

Starting 22.3 rate. I personally know several that were dropped down. Said they made more per week working PT.

Ok that makes some sense, all 22.3 jobs here are taken by drivers with at least 25 years seniority so maybe that’s why they’re paid at a hire rate.

 

[HarryWarden]

And if you made 33$ an hour your iPhone would cost 3,000$ the average cost of a car would be triple and so on. You wouldn’t be any richer. Too many dollars chasing too few goods. Exactly what’s happening now.

But that didn’t apply in the 80s? Interesting

Ceo and shareholders also made hundreds of times less back then too, but I guess inflation doesn’t apply to the rich?

 

[HarryWarden]

Then go out into the woods and try to make it a month without your rich overlords who produce and invent every single thing you use to live. Mussolini and Hitler were also leftists. Socialism is right there in the name of the German party Hitler was the leader of.

I like how you keep bringing up leftists, then say inflation caused by government spending and stimulus checks, but ignore how much trump added to the national debt and gave us stimulus checks

 

[HarryWarden]

Raising the starting wage by 10$ and giving everyone else catch-up raises is just a couple of dollars? I never said just UPS workers. I said across the board as in for everyone in the country. If you want your raises fine. Don’t expect new hires and expect part time job titles at the company to not exist in the future. Again I point to cashiers and fast food workers being replaced with computers as a prime example of people being replaced with machines for asking for too much money.

Why do you keep ignoring the wage was equivalent to $33 in 1980?

 

[catstalking]

Then go out into the woods and try to make it a month without your rich overlords who produce and invent every single thing you use to live.

this is delusional, you are not John Galt and neither are any of the rich financiers who make up the top 1%; they are degenerate gamblers who use financial instruments and political intervention to swindle rubes (like you)

Mussolini and Hitler were also leftists. Socialism is right there in the name of the German party Hitler was the leader of.

they were Authoritarian-Centrists, not Leftists

if you read Mein Kampf, it's clear Hitler had a very different idea of what "National Socialism" means from the Socialism you're referring to

 

[Next Day Error]

But that didn’t apply in the 80s? Interesting

Ceo and shareholders also made hundreds of times less back then too, but I guess inflation doesn’t apply to the rich?

Get out of here with your reason and logic.

 

[Sissy Brown Short Shorts]

But that didn’t apply in the 80s? Interesting

Ceo and shareholders also made hundreds of times less back then too, but I guess inflation doesn’t apply to the rich?

Technically it doesn’t because they can afford what they want when they want it. Tome was paid 1.3 million last year in salary. Pretty modest for a company that made 11.5 billion last year all said and done. Can’t give you an exact number but a lot of CEOs aren’t paid much or have a 1$ a year salary. Most compensation is in the form of stock packages but it’s unrealized until they sell.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Technically it doesn’t because they can afford what they want when they want it. Tome was paid 1.3 million last year in salary. Pretty modest for a company that made 11.5 billion last year all said and done. Can’t give you an exact number but a lot of CEOs aren’t paid much or have a 1$ a year salary. Most compensation is in the form of stock packages but it’s unrealized until they sell.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Technically it doesn’t because they can afford what they want when they want it. Tome was paid 1.3 million last year in salary. Pretty modest for a company that made 11.5 billion last year all said and done. Can’t give you an exact number but a lot of CEOs aren’t paid much or have a 1$ a year salary. Most compensation is in the form of stock packages but it’s unrealized until they sell.

UPS CEO's total pay was $19M in 2022

UPS CEO Carol Tomé saw a decline in her total compensation last year.

www.ajc.com

 

[HarryWarden]

Technically it doesn’t because they can afford what they want when they want it. Tome was paid 1.3 million last year in salary. Pretty modest for a company that made 11.5 billion last year all said and done. Can’t give you an exact number but a lot of CEOs aren’t paid much or have a 1$ a year salary. Most compensation is in the form of stock packages but it’s unrealized until they sell.

Ups spent $4.6 billion on stock buy backs in one year. Tome made $19 million in one year off ups

You sure are spending a lot of time on here sucking up to corporate elite, and now saying the ceo doesn’t make much, while bashing the union and saying they’re making too much

 

[Mplayers2006]

I’m a full timer. Second generation teamster.

I’ve got a lot to lose.
I don’t want to strike, but I will if it comes to it. And I will strike for any classification if they are getting hurt by the company.

Almost all of us started inside. The lack of brotherhood is concerning to me.

Brotherhood sounds good in Disney movies, but the reality is where I live and work. No one here is going to take care of my family or financial responsibility. As well as I don’t expect them to.
We should fight for one another, if the cause is justifiable in losing your job over. However, I can’t find logical and rational reasons to strike and potentially put myself on the street cause someone has decided that PT need $25/Hr.

Am I in the twilight zone here?

No one can help you if you’re laid off due to economic circumstance. Neither would a collection plate be passed around to help in the moment.

God
Family
Friends
In that order.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Up to 1982, the starting wage for p/t employees was $11. Then it dropped to $8 starting in 1982. The union wanted to dramatically increase the full time driver’s pay so they agreed to UPS’ demand to lower the p/t pay rate $3 dollars down to $8 from $11

Talking to a driver this afternoon and he was saying top PT wage was $16/hr in 1982. After 90 days.

 

[1BROWNWRENCH]

Everybody get your favorite pissbottles out of the back.

 

[skinnytrucker]

That is what corporate Inc did to this country. Didn't Ross Perot talk about the giant suckling sound coming from South of the border? Crony capitalist play to win they could care less about their employees. Your just a means to an end.

That was the first presidential debate I remember watching. Perot’s speech took profound affect on me that night