and what about concentrated economic power?
Biden and the Radical Left
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El Correcto
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Sure, but you don’t enact communism to deal with that. We already have processes in place to help break that up.
The biggest lie the left pushes is that the billionaires and millionaires can pay for all the social programs. They can’t. You could take every penny from those people and not scratch the surface of paying for even a year of the lefts proposed spending.
zubenelgenubi
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What about it? The recognition of corporations as legal persons is one of the worst things to have ever happened. That's the nature of power.
other countries already do pay for the other social programs and more lol
zubenelgenubi
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And most of their wealth is tied up in company stock. You force them to sell to pay taxes, stock plummets, wealth disappears. No social programs.
how big have non corporate capitalist biz gotten?
you have concentrated power even if its not a monopoly. ive worked capitalist jobs, even teh power they have is too much.
if thats true tehn i guess our system doesnt work now does it?
stock buy backs are a disaster. the stock market is fraudulent. maybe were headed for a russian style collapse next decade.
El Correcto
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I guarantee you billionaires are not paying the full bill for that, millionaires to. I bet they aren’t even really paying for it all and they have national deficits racking up because of it.
instead of betting you should know.
i agree anyways because the rich dont want to pay the full bill. governments dont necessarily need to tax to fund these programs, at least in america i forgot for EU.
El Correcto
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How do I show you when you refuse to name the countries?
Name a countries who pays for all it’s social spending using the wealth of billionaires and millionaires.
It’s not even about what the rich want to you dum dum. They literally can’t pay for it all. There isn’t enough wealth concentrated there to spend 90 trillion dollars on the green new deal or even medicare for all.
zubenelgenubi
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What is your basis for claiming "too much" power?
zubenelgenubi
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I agree that the stock market is fraudulent by nature. But that doesn't have anything to do with supporting your claim that our system doesn't work. Just the opposite. The system works so well that parasites on both ends of the wealth spectrum can suck off it, and it still manages to function. I am more or less against secondary markets for stocks, but don't understand the system well enough to say the best way to reform them, or whether abolishing them would be the right thing.
so i worked unionized jobs and it wasnt enough to ensure a fair workplace.
every developed country uses rich mans wealth in part ot pay for social programs. thats obvious.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
What's your definition of "fair"?
follow the laws. design equipment so its safe. dont risk my life with your ridiculous demands. dont abuse coworkers with mental problems.
unions dont stop capitalists from acting unreasonably or without common courtesy.
how many ppl design and how many ppl approve a piece of railway equipment like a rail car? its not safe but its all legal for some reason. i know guys who have lost limbs. theres something fundamentally wrong with the system
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Who lets them get away with breaking laws? You understand that the people who are willing to work under the conditions you think are unfair are the same ones who would vote in a direct democracy, right? If they won't vote for "fair" conditions with their feet, why would you trust them to vote the way you think they should by ballot?
zubenelgenubi
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You are the person most responsible for your own safety. Why you would ever leave it to someone else is a mystery.
at least in direct democracy there is an organized and formal process for voting. we currently have to organize before we even vote. and we dont think to vote because our system prefers us not to anyways. how often do we actually practice democracy in this system? capitalists dont like democracy.
so 2 things are to blame: all of us, and a power system which produces this kind of bad behavior.
