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Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
Biden was right! Millions saved! Thank you Biden!

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vantexan

Well-Known Member
Good on you! I choose to not take any. Good luck my frIend. They are all good. It’s a conspiracy theory if you question any of them.
It's a conspiracy theory when you refuse to believe anything but what you've decided is true without a factual basis. For example you said the myocarditis issue wasn't known about for years. Anyone following the published data, looking at the VAER's website, would know that's not so. It's also widely known, as I'm sure you'll agree, that the vaccines didn't prevent infection or transmitting the disease. That the silly masks they made us wear didn't prevent anything. That almost no children got the virus. There's a lot to hate about how the pandemic was handled without delving into if it was a grand plan to kill us all. And believe me at the time one had to wonder if there was something to that. No, it was incompetent idiots who were trying to do only God knows what, who unleashed it on us. It was incompetent leadership who compounded the problem. And people who thought the absolute worst case scenario of a worldwide takeover by a one world government was happening didn't help either.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
It's a conspiracy theory when you refuse to believe anything but what you've decided is true without a factual basis. For example you said the myocarditis issue wasn't known about for years. Anyone following the published data, looking at the VAER's website, would know that's not so. It's also widely known, as I'm sure you'll agree, that the vaccines didn't prevent infection or transmitting the disease. That the silly masks they made us wear didn't prevent anything. That almost no children got the virus. There's a lot to hate about how the pandemic was handled without delving into if it was a grand plan to kill us all. And believe me at the time one had to wonder if there was something to that. No, it was incompetent idiots who were trying to do only God knows what, who unleashed it on us. It was incompetent leadership who compounded the problem. And people who thought the absolute worst case scenario of a worldwide takeover by a one world government was happening didn't help either.

I agree 100 % And yet people went along and masked up and took a vax! Thank you! Your incite is 100% spot on!
 
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BadIdeaGuy

Keyboard Kenny
Staff member
I never got the vaccine. I couldn’t care less who took it, it’s their problem. I’m not obsessed with it. I’ve been consistently against it.
I'm all for experimental medicine.

I'm just not for legal protections so that the vaccine makers can't be sued.
Or government mandated vaccines. Or workplaces being able to invade your medical history. Etc...

My only problem with any of this, was that they tried their best to tell everyone that they didn't get to make the choice for themselves.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
I'm all for experimental medicine.

I'm just not for legal protections so that the vaccine makers can't be sued.
Or government mandated vaccines. Or workplaces being able to invade your medical history. Etc...

My only problem with any of this, was that they tried their best to tell everyone that they didn't get to make the choice for themselves.
The whole vaccine thing was a scam. There were alternatives to combat the virus but they had to demonize them so they could get the ok to produce the vaccine. Can’t do it if there’s viable treatments available. We know now that they lied not only about the vaccines and how safe and effective they were, but also about treatments that were actually effective. Scam
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I agree 100 % And yet people went along and took a vax! Thank you!
Dude, most people trust their government enough to not believe the government has bad intentions towards them. So when they're told this vaccine will prevent you dying, and they see the news reports coming out of China and other countries like Italy, they take the vaccine in hopes of staying alive. Good on you for being skeptical but the majority weighed the chances of dying if they got infected and decided the vaccine was the best course. Doesn't make them sheep or stupid. Just afraid and looking for a lifeline. My dad was 81 when he took the vaccine. He saw the reports of nursing home deaths in NY and was scared he would contract the disease before he could get vaccinated. He got it shortly after it was available. And I told him I was concerned at the time that the vaccine could do more harm than good. Didn't stop him but later he decided no boosters because of all the reports of adverse reactions.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
The whole vaccine thing was a scam. There were alternatives to combat the virus but they had to demonize them so they could get the ok to produce the vaccine. Can’t do it if there’s viable treatments available. We know now that they lied not only about the vaccines and how safe and effective they were, but also about treatments that were actually effective. Scam

And was one scam (vaccine) better than another?
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Dude, most people trust their government enough to not believe the government has bad intentions towards them. So when they're told this vaccine will prevent you dying, and they see the news reports coming out of China and other countries like Italy, they take the vaccine in hopes of staying alive. Good on you for being skeptical but the majority weighed the chances of dying if they got infected and decided the vaccine was the best course. Doesn't make them sheep or stupid. Just afraid and looking for a lifeline. My dad was 81 when he took the vaccine. He saw the reports of nursing home deaths in NY and was scared he would contract the disease before he could get vaccinated. He got it shortly after it was available. And I told him I was concerned at the time that the vaccine could do more harm than good. Didn't stop him but later he decided no boosters because of all the reports of adverse reactions.
When the government silences anyone who dares to ask questions it is a big red flag.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I'm all for experimental medicine.

I'm just not for legal protections so that the vaccine makers can't be sued.
Or government mandated vaccines. Or workplaces being able to invade your medical history. Etc...

My only problem with any of this, was that they tried their best to tell everyone that they didn't get to make the choice for themselves.
I love that Trump offered all the fired military their jobs back. That always rankled me that even though there was plenty of evidence that the vaccines were ineffective and even dangerous Biden still wouldn't take back those who refused to get vaccinated.
 

Darmark7

Retired 2020. Not my Problem Anymore!
Dude, most people trust their government enough to not believe the government has bad intentions towards them. So when they're told this vaccine will prevent you dying, and they see the news reports coming out of China and other countries like Italy, they take the vaccine in hopes of staying alive. Good on you for being skeptical but the majority weighed the chances of dying if they got infected and decided the vaccine was the best course. Doesn't make them sheep or stupid. Just afraid and looking for a lifeline. My dad was 81 when he took the vaccine. He saw the reports of nursing home deaths in NY and was scared he would contract the disease before he could get vaccinated. He got it shortly after it was available. And I told him I was concerned at the time that the vaccine could do more harm than good. Didn't stop him but later he decided no boosters because of all the reports of adverse reactions.

We can’t be upset about Biden voters being told Trump is a dictator and going to destroy the world because as you say “most people trust their government enough to not believe the government has bad intentions towards them” Long live the Democrats party that is trying to protect us…. Right?
 

BadIdeaGuy

Keyboard Kenny
Staff member
The whole vaccine thing was a scam. There were alternatives to combat the virus but they had to demonize them so they could get the ok to produce the vaccine. Can’t do it if there’s viable treatments available. We know now that they lied not only about the vaccines and how safe and effective they were, but also about treatments that were actually effective. Scam
I don't disagree.

I just think it was a control issue, not a vaccine issue.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
We can’t be upset about Biden voters being told Trump is a dictator and going to destroy the world because as you say “most people trust their government enough to not believe the government has bad intentions towards them” Long live the Democrats party that is trying to protect us…. Right?
That's an entirely different subject. There are a whole range of issues to disagree with the Democrats on but at least at first the vaccinations were bipartisan. Only later with how the shutdowns were handled was there a growing divide between Democrats and Republicans over the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Yet we have people that took one trying to explain why it was better than the others. Just admit it …. You fell for the scam.
I didn't try to do that. Merely explained why it was different than the mRNA vaccines and I decided it was safe enough to take. You apparently weren't aware there was a difference.
 
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