do you think hoffa and hall is selling us out?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by 804troublemaker, Apr 4, 2013.


the unions are losing a lot of money due to the arbitration for dishonesty.

Poll closed Jul 13, 2013.
  1. yes

    38 vote(s)
  2. no

    23 vote(s)
  3. I don't care

    6 vote(s)
  1. 804troublemaker

    804troublemaker New Member

    why would hoffa and hall agree to change the dishonesty language in the last contract.
  2. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    Shouldn't we wait until we see what was negotiated before passing judgement?
  3. rudy5150

    rudy5150 Active Member

    Im part time so of course i think us part timers will get sold out once again!
  4. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    And if we don't like it, vote down the proposal and send them back to negotiate some more when there might be a greater sense of urgency?
  5. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    The Hoffa / hall team is losing this battle on all fronts. They appear to be desperate to agree to anything that ends the negotiations regardless of the outcome.

    We got screwed in the last contract, and I was clear about that at the time. My concerns then, are the alledged concerns now for Hoffa / hall team, yet the continue to fail to prevail in these negotiations.


  6. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    This thread, ranks right up....

    with the other 804 thread.... all 700 pages.

  7. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    Hoffa has been selling out the rank & file for years now. In return he gets access to the Whitehouse.
  8. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    I was wondering why I am suffering so with a 88K income and free healthcare and nights and weekends off. Horrible!
  9. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    You know what? For runner you are starting to grow on me. Even if you want to punch me in the throat.
  10. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    If you only made 88K you would get more stops in my center.
  11. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    i am not a big hoffa/hall fan but my family must trust that they are doing the best they can. we can't expect them to"win" these negotiations. it MUST be a win-win situation for everyone.

    whatever the outcome it is impossible for everyone to be happy.
  12. PT Stewie

    PT Stewie "Big Fella"

    You know we are the last bastion of organized labor with any clout . We are not the UAW, our job's cannot go overseas,we do not work for Sarah Lee "our cakes are made offshore",we are not teachers paid by the tax payers , we are not construction people "pick up your pay we are laying you off". So far our leadership has done well in the anti union right to work environment we live in.We need to stay the course and see what they come back with and then speak with our individual votes. If the turnout is poor who do we blame then ? hall, Hoffa, Obrien ?
  13. PT Stewie

    PT Stewie "Big Fella"

    hall, Hoffa, Obrien ?
    freudian slip !!! hall before Hoffa

  14. Brokedownandbrown

    Brokedownandbrown New Member

    IBT is like the government, wasting money, abusing power, and not representing the people that pay them. Both group of PIGS that laugh in your face while tossing money into the crapper. hall and Hoffa are more like Davis and Eskew than they are to You and Me.

    Around the first of June tentative contract agreement made and pushed by both sides as a fair deal. Weak language in contract has always been the down fall in our contracts. Can we get a contract lawyer to over look the wording before the final draft, thats right, Hoffa is a Lawyer.
  15. PT Stewie

    PT Stewie "Big Fella"

    As I stated before you have a vote. And the IBT is you .
  16. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    There are labor lawyers involved in the language construction and intent of language.
  17. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    The lawyer's intent is to make the language ambiguous and circuitous to ensure they have work for the next 5 - 7 years.
  18. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    :knockedout: :knockedout: :knockedout:

    UPS drivers earn $32+/hour, no-cost benefits that rank among the best of any employee group in the country, up to 9 weeks paid time off (including holidays & sick days) and one of the most generous pensions in the country. Over the past two contracts, the IBT has negotiated a $17.75/hour wage & benefit hike -- including over $9 in direct wages. That translates into more than $20,000/year in additional income without any benefit contribution or dilution. This places UPS drivers into the top 15% of all wage earns, and top 10% in total compensation, in the country. Meanwhile, most American's total compensation package has decreased over this time frame. ... And our union is weak?

    I don't understand... UPS is a publicly traded company burdened by high labor costs, which has lead to concern on Wall Street. NOBODY should be surprised that UPS is asking for us to contribute toward health care. What did you expect ... for Scott Davis to bow toward Hoffa & hall, offering to provide whatever they asked for??????? It's not going to happen. But they're still negotiating economics.

    Before &@&! and whining about the union selling us out... why don't you wait and see what's negotiated rather than @$I@! and whining about something that's nonexistent?
  19. yeldarb

    yeldarb Member

    A ups drivers total benefit per hour is over 49.00 an hour. I feel we deserve that with the profits we have. However, if ups goes public about our threat to strike, the public will have no sympathy when they find out our complete package. The union needs to play the card carefully, IMO.
  20. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Because they are UPS Drivers who whine about everything. :wink2:

    Now the part-timers really do have something to whine about.