Doomsday Clock

[Cactus]

There's a reason ground operates differently than Express in regards to pay, benefits, meal breaks, overtime, DOT laws, etc. .

Yeah, there's a reason alright.

1. To keep the union out (first and formost)
2. To keep Fred and his buddies awfully rich
3. Put the burden of cost onto the taxpayers while the drivers get by on government assistance
4. To avoid paying benefits (vacations and insurance etc.)
5. To confuse the general public of the different opcos (smoke and mirrors in action)

Shall I go on?

 

[MAKAVELI]

There's a reason ground operates differently than Express in regards to pay, benefits, meal breaks, overtime, DOT laws, etc. They use so called" contractors" to avoid these costs and increase their profit. They could not operate this way if every driver was an employee of FedEx. Thus the term " scam is applied to the Ground opco. Plain and simple you are a means to an end. Nothing else.

As are you a means to an end...for now. I'm cool with that. You?

I have no illusions that I'm anything other than that. It's you ground contractors that think you are something your not. You are an employee and are replaceable just like the rest of us. The difference being you are just doing FedEx's dirty work.

 

[bbsam]

Here's the problem with calling Ground a "scam".



you say Fedex does it to gain a competitive edge. Why does any company use contractors? Same reason. It's cheaper. So aren't you really saying that no company should ever be able to use contractors? Only reason UPS doesn't is because the have a union contract that prohibits it.

 

[Cactus]

Sure. I was essentially a Ground driver for the first few years when it was RPS. It was a definite step up from cab driver. What I would encourage them to do is learn a bunch of routes, show up early and stay late. Learn the business from the Ground up. In time, if Fedex is not for them, they have a damn good paid internship to put on a resume. People can "settle" in any job. I don't want my kids to ever settle. Always move forward and set new goals. Do that and it will be hard not to have great self worth and success.

what else would I do? Drive a truck? Eeeeeeewwwwww!

What?

Are we singing a different tune than the other evening?

 

[bbsam]

I have no illusions that I'm anything other than that. It's you ground contractors that think you are something your not. You are an employee and are replaceable just like the rest of us. The difference being you are just doing FedEx's dirty work.

Fedex and I have an agreement. We make money off the model. How's that for keeping it simple.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Here's the problem with calling Ground a "scam".



you say Fedex does it to gain a competitive edge. Why does any company use contractors? Same reason. It's cheaper. So aren't you really saying that no company should ever be able to use contractors? Only reason UPS doesn't is because the have a union contract that prohibits it.

No union at express. Why don't they use contractors here?

 

[bbsam]

What?

Are we singing a different tune than the other evening?

not at all. I put in alot of years behind the wheel. Not anxious to do it again, but I wouldn't be where I am today without that experience.

 

[thedownhillEXPRESS]

Here's the problem with calling Ground a "scam".



you say Fedex does it to gain a competitive edge. Why does any company use contractors? Same reason. It's cheaper. So aren't you really saying that no company should ever be able to use contractors? Only reason UPS doesn't is because the have a union contract that prohibits it.

It is just a tool used to circumvent labor laws and remain a step removed from liability.

Legislation needs to address this before everyone who is employed as anything is a "contractor".

It is sinister with no benefit to the working man or woman.

 

[bbsam]

It is just a tool used to circumvent labor laws and remain a step removed from liability.

Legislation needs to address this before everyone who is employed as anything is a "contractor".

It is sinister with no benefit to the working man or woman.

You really need to spend a week with a contractor before you have a clue about that.

 

[Route 66]

It would take 3 full time Express managers, part time mechanic, and a part time driver to cover me

and one cuckoo clock (tick tock tick tock)

 

[bbsam]

No union at express. Why don't they use contractors here?

I'm not convinced contractors won't someday be used at Express.

 

[vantexan]

No union at express. Why don't they use contractors here?

R1a says the FAA requires regular employees to handle freight from pickup through to destination ramp. Once there contractors can be used for delivery. I've seen quite a few casuals over the years delivering freight but have never seen one doing pickups.

 

[MAKAVELI]

No union at express. Why don't they use contractors here?

I'm not convinced contractors won't someday be used at Express.

That didn't answer the question.

 

[bbsam]

That didn't answer the question.

ok. I have no idea why they don't. Buy I do think they will in time.

 

[FedExRookie]

That didn't answer the question.

That is what we call a 'double negative' in the english language; therefore, forming an affirmative sentence stating he believes contract drivers will be used at Express one day.

 

[MAKAVELI]

That didn't answer the question.

That is what we call a 'double negative' in the english language; therefore, forming an affirmative sentence stating he believes contract drivers will be used at Express one day.

And I believe someday we will have world peace.

 

[vantexan]

0015 on 4/5/2013 and still no union at FedEx Express. And R1a is still a jackass.

 

[vantexan]

0207 on 4/6/2013 and still no union at FedEx Express.

 

[Code 82 Approved]

8:04 and Ground is still a steaming pile of crap. Unionization is a long-term process at Express, and management's actions are accelerating the process.

ground has plenty of voices and drivers...wake up sir

 

[northbound]

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