End over 9.5 negotiations

[DriverNerd]

Yes this is stating we can force some OT on you without you filing a grievance. Two days could be as much as 10 hours of OT and I still couldn’t file.

You could work over 56 hours in a week and still not be able to file 9.5. I'm honestly surprised the company doesn't do this. Just work every 9.5er 14 hours two days a week and 9.5 the rest. So many people would be pissed off coming in at 10 multiple days a week and not be able to file.

 

[rod]

8 hours done or not. They know when I’m over 9.5 so they would know when I’m over 8. They even know how to dispatch an 8hr request. We should be focused on 8hr language instead of 9.5 language. Double time after 8.5 and triple after 9.5! Sounds extreme? It isn’t. It’s what has to be done to end it.

If you were looking for a 9 to 5 job why did you go with UPS? UPS has NEVER been a 9 to 5 job or will it ever be.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

Just work every 9.5er 14 hours two days a week and 9.5 the rest.

Some centers with sociopathic management, are doing just that.

 

[DriverNerd]

Some centers with sociopathic management, are doing just that.

Between idiot dispatchers and being always short supervisors that kind of organization would never fly at our hub.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

Wow. That was deep thought. So you are hinting at 9.5 insurance? That way it doesn’t affect the books..

New contract negotiations, possible strike... Corp might decide to claim all the 9.5 grievances, instead of settling them. It will probably be messy, but dragging their feet, while the calendar advances is possibly their "telling" strategy.

Might want to hold off on spending that 9.5 money, until you have it in hand.

 

[Over70irregs]

It will be a nice bonus down the road. Keep stacking grievance papers yall.

 

[542thruNthru]

New contract negotiations, possible strike... Corp might decide to claim all the 9.5 grievances, instead of settling them. It will probably be messy, but dragging their feet, while the calendar advances is possibly their "telling" strategy.

Might want to hold off on spending that 9.5 money, until you have it in hand.

Highly doubt it. UPS always tries to clear all liability before the new year so that their books are right.

Nice try though.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Just work every 9.5er 14 hours two days a week and 9.5 the rest. So many people would be pissed off coming in at 10 multiple days a week and not be able to file.

"Drivers who choose to opt-in on the 9.5 list shall have the right to file a grievance if the Employer has continually worked a driver more than nine and one half (9.5) hours per day for any three (3) days in a workweek. The Company will not assign excessive over- time on the two (2) remaining days within the workweek in order to retaliate against a driver for opting onto the 9.5 List."

https://teamster.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ups18nationalmaster.pdf

 

[DriverNerd]

... in order to retaliate against a driver...

If they claim that the only way to keep all the 9.5 drivers under 9.5 is to give the others 14 hours on their off days I'm not sure there's much you can do about that language.

 

[Thebrownblob]

If they claim that the only way to keep all the 9.5 drivers under 9.5 is to give the others 14 hours on their off days I'm not sure there's much you can do about that language.

There’s language for that, I rarely see anyone do14 hours, but if they want to take things to that extreme fine there is some language.

“The Company will not assign excessive over- time on the two (2) remaining days within the workweek in order to retaliate against a driver for opting onto the 9.5 List.”

 

[BigUnionGuy]

“The Company will not assign excessive over- time on the two (2) remaining days within the workweek in order to retaliate against a driver for opting onto the 9.5 List.”

I think there is an echo in here.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I think there is an echo in here.

Yep sometimes you Gotta say things twice to get people to understand…. And by twice I mean 20 times lol

 

[allahuakbar]

Teamsters and Ups know that freightliner is only producing their trucks with AC now. That’s why AC is such a big issue suddenly. They’re both going to pat themselves on the back and go “see what we did for you”!

 

[Thebrownblob]

Teamsters and Ups know that freightliner is only producing their trucks with AC now. That’s why AC is such a big issue suddenly. They’re both going to pat themselves on the back and go “see what we did for you”!

Almost Every truck at my building is less than three years old and that’s over 300 trucks. We’re going to have these trucks for at least a dozen years or more. I don’t see them retrofitting air conditioner but who knows.

 

[allahuakbar]

Almost Every truck at my building is less than three years old and that’s over 300 trucks. We’re going to have these trucks for at least a dozen years or more. I don’t see them retrofitting air conditioner but who knows.

That’s where ups saves. They’re not gonna retrofit anything. They’ll say going forward new trucks will have AC and fans will be installed in current fleet (which is something already in contract but teamsters won’t fight)

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s where ups saves. They’re not gonna retrofit anything. They’ll say going forward new trucks will have AC and fans will be installed in current fleet (which is something already in contract but teamsters won’t fight)

Yep and it will take 15 years lol similar to power steering and high step although I’m not sure what you want for Teamsters to do force them to sell all the vehicles? I don’t personally care if we ever get air-conditioning it’s not an issue I am concerned about.

 

[allahuakbar]

Ac is being used as a facade as the main argueMent. While avoiding real issues two tier wages and excessive OT. I don’t want ac. It wouldn’t work. Really wouldn’t make my day easier either. They’re not gonna do anything about OT or PVDs or 22.4. They’re gonna say here’s air conditioning and all the snowflakes will just vote yes.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ac is being used as a facade as the main argueMent. While avoiding real issues two tier wages and excessive OT. I don’t want ac. It wouldn’t work. Really wouldn’t make my day easier either. They’re not gonna do anything about OT or PVDs or 22.4. They’re gonna say here’s air conditioning and all the snowflakes will just vote yes.

I’m in agreement with you that air-conditioning is not an issue I am concerned about, the other issues you list are far more important to me.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Who is negotiating them? That’s ridiculous every single one that is filed here is paid, not even questioned. The only issue I have is that we have to file at all it’s time consuming and shouldn’t be necessary in the next contract.

Not here- every one is given away...

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I hope we have some sort of automatic payment as well. But you’re back handed reply about my attitude ignores the fact that 90% of the drivers who say they want to be kept under 9.5, actually start complaining about money when the company actually does it. We are our own worst enemy.

Truth!