Message from Sean O

[JustDeliverIt]

Actually it’s passed.

It didn't pass, it was imposed. Big difference. The majority voiced it's opinion, but rather than standing for their members the NNC took the pension payout. Simple changes could be made to make this pass without it being imposed yet the leadership doesn't want to do the work of the majority. Sad day.

 

[Tony Q]

It didn't pass, it was imposed. Big difference. The majority voiced it's opinion, but rather than standing for their members the NNC took the pension payout. Simple changes could be made to make this pass without it being imposed yet the leadership doesn't want to do the work of the majority. Sad day.

A majority of the members could get out to vote. That is the deciding factor. Blame rests on you shoulder. You didn’t vote and neither did you brothers and sisters.

 

[wide load]

It imposed

Cool!! Only thing you’re retiring is this screen name pusillanimous.

 

[govols019]

Set the Taylor’s firmness to 100, needs support for where the spine goes.

Funniest reply in the history of the internet.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

So glad this contract passed.

Too many apathetic pussilamous Teamsters didn't vote.

The Teamsters should be ashamed at such a low and pathetic turn out

 

[Mugarolla]

It didn't pass, it was imposed. Big difference. The majority voiced it's opinion, but rather than standing for their members the NNC took the pension payout. Simple changes could be made to make this pass without it being imposed yet the leadership doesn't want to do the work of the majority. Sad day.

Here's the problem.

That clause has been in the IBT Constitution for over 20 years. No one has made an effort to remove it, not FZ, SOB, nobody.

The clause is very clear, spelled out in black and white.

Does Hoffa really have a choice?

What if he doesn't apply the Constitution?

I believe the charges would be breach of fudiciary duty by not enforcing the IBT Constitution.

He's screwed either way.

And this is the first time this clause has ever come into play.

 

[Hadjabear]

Here's the problem.

That clause has been in the IBT Constitution for over 20 years. No one has made an effort to remove it, not FZ, SOB, nobody.

The clause is very clear, spelled out in black and white.

Does Hoffa really have a choice?

What if he doesn't apply the Constitution?

I believe the charges would be breach of fudiciary duty by not enforcing the IBT Constitution.

He's screwed either way.

And this is the first time this clause has ever come into play.

When and where was it stated that this is the final offer? If the company says pound sand, this is the final offer then they aren't negotiating in good faith the negotiating committee could call a strike (authorization we already gave). I know they won't but don't say H doesn't have a choice.

 

[Future]

We won ... back 2 the table ..

 

[Future]

Sean will get his chance in three years. I’ll be done then so whatever happens will happen.

Really stfu

 

[Mugarolla]

When and where was it stated that this is the final offer? If the company says pound sand, this is the final offer then they aren't negotiating in good faith the negotiating committee could call a strike (authorization we already gave). I know they won't but don't say H doesn't have a choice.

That also comes from the IBT Constitution.

Any contract offered to the membership to vote on is a final offer.

From the IBT Constitution:

Area, Multi-Area, Multi-Employer, National,
Company-wide or Industry-wide Contracts
Section 2(a). If a majority of the affiliated Local
Unions vote to participate in area, multi-area, national,
multi-employer, company-wide, or industry-wide negotiations
for an area, multi-area, national, multi-employer,
company-wide, or industry-wide agreement (hereinafter
“master agreement”), all involved affiliated Local
Unions shall comprise a multi-union unit, be bound by
such vote, must participate in such master agreement
bargaining and shall be bound by the agreement
approved as provided below. Upon completion of negotiations
by any committee designated as hereinafter set
forth to engage in negotiations of a master agreement,
such agreement shall be submitted to the membership
involved in such negotiations for their approval or rejection
as the final offer in accordance with Section 2(d)
herein.


Last sentence.

 

[Mugarolla]

Do you know what's funny?

This 2/3 clause was placed in the IBT Constitution under Ron Carey.

 

[Future]

Do you know what's funny?

This 2/3 clause was placed in the IBT Constitution under Ron Carey.

Do you know what’s funny ? The contract proposal didn’t pass .....

 

[Mugarolla]

Do you know what’s funny ? The contract proposal didn’t pass .....

Both UPS and the IBT don't agree with you.

 

[DELACROIX]

Carey knew what would happen if the "97" one went straight to vote before the strike...Hoffa and his team knew what would happen if this one was voted down by less than 2/3 majority..Different Presidents..Different objectives..

This was planned from day one..

Of those who voted yes....just what percentage were lower seniority members with less than 5 years in..estimate would be about 75 %.

Of those who voted no...how many were high seniority members who have a history of voting on every election or contract..estimate would be about 90 %.

Those 60 % who never voted either way...a vast majority of them were clueless part timers who did not know they were union or would care less...I do not know why we still have seniority full timers that do not participate in any collective bargaining process.

 

[Future]

Both UPS and the IBT don't agree with you.

54 percent is what I heard

 

[Future]

 

[DELACROIX]

Both UPS and the IBT don't agree with you.

"IT DID NOT PASS"..."IT DID NOT PASS"..."IT DID NOT PASS'...and we all know it...

 

[wide load]

A majority of the members could get out to vote. That is the deciding factor. Blame rests on you shoulder. You didn’t vote and neither did you brothers and sisters.

You mean the majority of members couldn’t care less about “the greatest contract ever”? They probably didn’t vote because they knew some of their representatives screwed them. Like you! Thinking you know better than us? Go kiss up to Taylor tomorrow. Btw, your yes vote scare tactics didn’t work.

 

[Mugarolla]

54 percent is what I heard

Clinton won the majority but lost the election.

We needed 67% to turn it down.

I know.

 

[DELACROIX]

A good question to ask would be just how many of those ballots were sent out to people who were not eligible to vote. Recent retirees or terminated employees, even if they never returned their vote or participated they count toward that 50 percent requirement...