Lol most Labor managers are pre-madonnas, The best thing to do with them is to bait them into taking a bad case to the panel so they look stupid in front of their peers, they hate that.You know that's exactly what happened in 97, yes? And UPS negotiators hated having to treat rank and file negotiators as peers. To me it's no different than refusing to kow-tow to any member of management at any time. The labor manager here kicked me out of my own grievance hearing. Did I yell? No. Did I curse at him? No. Did I make threats? No. He simply couldn't stand that I held my own with him, and that I insisted he treat me with respect.