Seniority after peak - On topic please

according to the 177 Supplement:

"An employee who has been hired prior to October 15th and retained after January 10th or recalled within sixty (60) days after January 10th will retain credit for the number of days worked prior to October 15th. Those days retained will count towards the thirty (30) days worked in a sixty (60) consecutive day period commencing with the first day worked after January 10th."

With that said,

I was hired in September. I accrued 19 days before the freeze. I called the union hall because the initiation fee is still not being deducted (only dues). The explanation was that I did no get my 30 in 60 before the freeze, my days would "reset" on Jan 11th and that all the days before the freeze will basically mean nothing.

Am I interpreting the contract language wrong? or was the union hall wrong?
 
The union hall was correct
Well damn. That's not what I wanted to hear... but I'm a skeptic, so I have to ask...

Does anyone know how to interpret local 177 45-1(c)?

If the union hall is telling me they are not retained, what does the language mean by saying,

"Those days retained will count towards the thirty (30) days worked in a sixty (60)" ?
 
Well damn. That's not what I wanted to hear... but I'm a skeptic, so I have to ask...

Does anyone know how to interpret local 177 45-1(c)?

If the union hall is telling me they are not retained, what does the language mean by saying,

"Those days retained will count towards the thirty (30) days worked in a sixty (60)" ?
I'm.not in that local but I know here those days do not count at all
 

542thruNthru

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according to the 177 Supplement:

"An employee who has been hired prior to October 15th and retained after January 10th or recalled within sixty (60) days after January 10th will retain credit for the number of days worked prior to October 15th. Those days retained will count towards the thirty (30) days worked in a sixty (60) consecutive day period commencing with the first day worked after January 10th."

With that said,

I was hired in September. I accrued 19 days before the freeze. I called the union hall because the initiation fee is still not being deducted (only dues). The explanation was that I did no get my 30 in 60 before the freeze, my days would "reset" on Jan 11th and that all the days before the freeze will basically mean nothing.

Am I interpreting the contract language wrong? or was the union hall wrong?
Were you a driver? If not they may have separate language for Sort workers.

If you were a driver then yes I would say the days before Oct 15th count. I would go to the union hall to talk with some one face to face about it.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
according to the 177 Supplement:

"An employee who has been hired prior to October 15th and retained after January 10th or recalled within sixty (60) days after January 10th will retain credit for the number of days worked prior to October 15th. Those days retained will count towards the thirty (30) days worked in a sixty (60) consecutive day period commencing with the first day worked after January 10th."

With that said,

I was hired in September. I accrued 19 days before the freeze. I called the union hall because the initiation fee is still not being deducted (only dues). The explanation was that I did no get my 30 in 60 before the freeze, my days would "reset" on Jan 11th and that all the days before the freeze will basically mean nothing.

Am I interpreting the contract language wrong? or was the union hall wrong?

It's kind of a moot point.... right now.


After January 10th, you will need to work 30 days in a consecutive 60 day period

to gain seniority. Then.. and only then.. will your seniority date revert back to

the first day you started. (which includes orientation)


Article 45 Section 1(a)


http://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/07032014_local_177_drivers_0.pdf


Were you a driver? If not they may have separate language for Sort workers.

Valid point.

The Local 177 supplement doesn't differentiate between the classifications.


@Bacciagalupe.... Don't sweat it.

Gain seniority, and then file a grievance protesting your seniority date if you

feel it's wrong. And believe me.... you will pay initiation fee's.


:biggrin:



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542thruNthru

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It's kind of a moot point.... right now.


After January 10th, you will need to work 30 days in a consecutive 60 day period

to gain seniority. Then.. and only then.. will your seniority date revert back to

the first day you started. (which includes orientation)


Article 45 Section 1(a)


http://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/07032014_local_177_drivers_0.pdf





Valid point.

The Local 177 supplement doesn't differentiate between the classifications.


@Bacciagalupe.... Don't sweat it.

Gain seniority, and then file a grievance protesting your seniority date if you

feel it's wrong. And believe me.... you will pay initiation fee's.


:biggrin:



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I may be reading the language wrong but doesn't (C) specifically state that the days before Oct 15th will count towards his 30 in 60.
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So he should not have to work another 30 consecutive days after Jan 10th.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
It's kind of a moot point.... right now.


After January 10th, you will need to work 30 days in a consecutive 60 day period

to gain seniority. Then.. and only then.. will your seniority date revert back to

the first day you started. (which includes orientation)


Article 45 Section 1(a)


http://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/07032014_local_177_drivers_0.pdf





Valid point.

The Local 177 supplement doesn't differentiate between the classifications.


@Bacciagalupe.... Don't sweat it.

Gain seniority, and then file a grievance protesting your seniority date if you

feel it's wrong. And believe me.... you will pay initiation fee's.


:biggrin:



-Bug-
"Moot point".....how do you figure???

The way I read it he will need 11 more days, provided he is retained or recalled within 60 days after January 10th, seeing he got 19 days in before October 15th.

To help you understand, within your line of thinking, it's like the calendar goes from October 15th to January 10th (or the days up to 60 after Jan 10th when he's recalled), with no days in between....a "time warp" if you will.

If it doesn't go down that way, I would for sure "sweat it" and file a grievance, at least.

....and yes, he will pay initiation fees.




~Bbbl~™
 
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Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
Isn't that why.... you mounted the charge.... to take Sam B out ?

All of his BS "thinking" on the contract ?


Correct me, if I'm wrong.
The OP asked that we stay "On Topic", so please be respectful.

I'll take it from this wild tangent of a post that you realize your mistake?
 

brownIEman

Well-Known Member
@Bacciagalupe - From my reading of the language it looks like your interpretation is correct,

HOWEVER, let me give you one piece of advice from the management perspective. If you get called back after Jan 10th, I would not file a grievance on this right away. Plan on working the 30 in 60 after that time, and just plan on the initiation coming out after that. If they try to let you go after 11 days worked coming back, when you would have the 30 if you count the days prior to Oct 15th, then you can file a grievance quoting 177 45-1(c) language to show that you already qualified. Also, as B.U.G. rightly said, you can file if you make book and your seniority date is not listed as your first day back prior to Oct 15th. If the local does not back you on the grievance, make sure they explain in detail why they think your reading of that language is wrong, because it looks cut and dry to me.

If you start filing grievances now, you might not get called back or you might be let go prior to the 30 days. While that might not seem fair, look at it from the other view. Once you make the 30 days, letting you go if you are a problem employee can be more difficult than getting a divorce (yes, I've done both, so I speak from experience). If you were dating a girl who gave you the impression she likes to whine and bitch about EVERYTHING, would you go through with marrying her? Even if she was good wife material in other ways?
 

Utahloader

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Reads the same as my supplement. Same situation as me. I fought it and won. Days worked before said date counts towards probation period.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
@Bacciagalupe - From my reading of the language it looks like your interpretation is correct,

HOWEVER, let me give you one piece of advice from the management perspective. If you get called back after Jan 10th, I would not file a grievance on this right away. Plan on working the 30 in 60 after that time, and just plan on the initiation coming out after that. If they try to let you go after 11 days worked coming back, when you would have the 30 if you count the days prior to Oct 15th, then you can file a grievance quoting 177 45-1(c) language to show that you already qualified. Also, as B.U.G. rightly said, you can file if you make book and your seniority date is not listed as your first day back prior to Oct 15th. If the local does not back you on the grievance, make sure they explain in detail why they think your reading of that language is wrong, because it looks cut and dry to me.

If you start filing grievances now, you might not get called back or you might be let go prior to the 30 days. While that might not seem fair, look at it from the other view. Once you make the 30 days, letting you go if you are a problem employee can be more difficult than getting a divorce (yes, I've done both, so I speak from experience). If you were dating a girl who gave you the impression she likes to whine and bitch about EVERYTHING, would you go through with marrying her? Even if she was good wife material in other ways?
Yea, and don't file any supervisor working grievances until the supervisor actually does bargaining unit work either.

 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
The way I read it he will need 11 more days, provided he is retained or recalled within 60 days after January 10th, seeing he got 19 days in before October 15th.

It wasn't within a "consecutive" 60 day period.


The time between October 15th and January 10.... doesn't count.

Although, his seniority would revet back to the first day he started.


@brownIEman makes some valid points. (hate to say it)



Yea, and don't file any supervisor working grievances until the supervisor actually does bargaining unit work either.

How does a non-seniority person, file a supe working grievance....

When they are only entitled to wages (under the contract) until they gain seniority ?


I understand your passion, but the OP has no contractual rights at this point.



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UnconTROLLed

perfection
@Bacciagalupe - From my reading of the language it looks like your interpretation is correct,

HOWEVER, let me give you one piece of advice from the management perspective. If you get called back after Jan 10th, I would not file a grievance on this right away. Plan on working the 30 in 60 after that time, and just plan on the initiation coming out after that. If they try to let you go after 11 days worked coming back, when you would have the 30 if you count the days prior to Oct 15th, then you can file a grievance quoting 177 45-1(c) language to show that you already qualified. Also, as B.U.G. rightly said, you can file if you make book and your seniority date is not listed as your first day back prior to Oct 15th. If the local does not back you on the grievance, make sure they explain in detail why they think your reading of that language is wrong, because it looks cut and dry to me.

If you start filing grievances now, you might not get called back or you might be let go prior to the 30 days. While that might not seem fair, look at it from the other view. Once you make the 30 days, letting you go if you are a problem employee can be more difficult than getting a divorce (yes, I've done both, so I speak from experience). If you were dating a girl who gave you the impression she likes to whine and bitch about EVERYTHING, would you go through with marrying her? Even if she was good wife material in other ways?
TLDR; Wait 'til you hit seniority, then do this to UPS

 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
How does a non-seniority person, file a supe working grievance....

When they are only entitled to wages (under the contract) until they gain seniority ?


I understand your passion, but the OP has no contractual rights at this point.
Why do you assume the OP is an off the street, nonseniority employee?

Isn't it possible that they are a part time employee trying to qualify as a package car driver?

Either way, my point was that nobody can file a valid grievance before the Company actually violates the contract.



~Bbbl~™
 

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
Why do you assume the OP is an off the street, nonseniority employee?

Isn't it possible that they are a part time employee trying to qualify as a package car driver?

Either way, my point was that nobody can file a valid grievance before the Company actually violates the contract.



~Bbbl~™
Bubblehead meet brick wall. Lol.
 
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