The Ultimate "Why Orion Is A Failure" thread......

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by MangoMango, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. MangoMango

    MangoMango Member

    I have been studying Orion on my route since it was forced on me. Here are the failures I have found. Feel free to add anything I might have missed.
    Orion builds my route around scheduled "smart" pickups = Dumb.
    It wants me to deliver stops around a pickup that canceled itself out of diad.
    Orion "creates" stops to pad time. Example. I have a pickup at 11am. It needs a certain amount of stops so it can lead me up to delivering in the area by the 11am pickup. If there are not enough stops that day before the pickup, it either splits 1 address up into 2 or has me driving to another area for a certain amount of stops, then back to trace. It has split one address into 4 different stops. 4 identical boxes each as separate stop. It has also "added" a suite letter to a single building address. Example: 4015 Main st. becomes 4015 and 4015A Main st. It will also create 3 stops by having me deliver Air, go do 20 stops, then deliver saver,leave area, then deliver ground when I go for the scheduled pickup.
    It does not honor the committed scheduled pickup time and will want me to pickup a 5pm pickup at 10am so it can have me deliver and pickup in the same area.
    Orion will "overwrite" a package label. Example. Shipping label clearly says 4600 Oak Street, Suite A. It will assign it as 4600B Oak street., complete with the 3 names for suite B and not A. I am not sure why it does this almost every day but I'm sure it has to do with the stop padding.
    Orion thinks addresses on the opposite site of the freeway are close to each other and will want me to cross back and forth as well as wanting me to deliver stops that are located back to back but I would have to drive 2 miles to go around to get to it. I tried to get this fixed, but apparently it cannot be done. Ok, what else have I missed??
     
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  2. Saca La

    Saca La What is it?

    I follow Orion when I have a light day and i need to at least make 9.5
     
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  3. Hot Carl

    Hot Carl Member

    One driver said it best, "Only Orion thinks I can drive my truck down to the end of a dead end street, pick it up and turn it around, and drive back the other way."
     
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  4. Brisket

    Brisket Well-Known Member

    If you have a cvs store, better check to make sure you have all the pieces for it since it is usually split into at least two ( if not three) stops, I think it treats the ones that have a minute clinic as separate stops.

    I know it’s a good thing but I prefer going there once and being done with it later in the day when they are busier.
     
  5. Sissy Brown Short Shorts

    Sissy Brown Short Shorts Active Member

    I’ve always said Orion would be fine if they put the air and pickups in different “folders” of some sort and not in the trace. Unfortunately the company would then have to trust the drivers and concede the smallest amount of micromanagement to the drivers instinct. My favorite is the CVS on my route. It wants me to go there and deliver the air, 15 stops, savers, 15 stops, pharmacy packages, 15 stops, ground, 15 stops, then the pickup. I also have an office building with four suites that are in for three different spots and on three different shelves.
     
  6. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    Orion sucks because it's horrible
     
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  7. GenericUsername

    GenericUsername Active Member

    I really enjoy Orion when it has me go into a large neighborhood, drive to the very far back of it, then work my way to the front rather than me working up one side of it and then down the other.
     
  8. Maple Grove MN Driver

    Maple Grove MN Driver Cocaine Mang!

  9. Misthios

    Misthios I love my job. Don't you?

    My favorite part is a random dump stop I have. If they have more than 2 air pieces Orion makes it separate 2 or 3 separate air stops. (It all gets delivered to the dock anyways) if I have 15 or more ground pieces that now becomes 2 stops. 20 or more and it becomes three stops. So a heavy day for them could be 5 to 6 different stops if I wanted to pad my numbers. Makes no sense to me.
     
  10. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    My orion plan can be very good, just as long as the dispatch supe builds my load correctly. Friday, he did not. Part way through the day, 24 stops from the end of my route were cut back to me. Instead of putting them back in section 8, they were put 3100-3299. Orion had me deliver that area before I was done with section 4. I followed the plan because my truck was a mess and cleaning that out helped. It easily added an hour to my day.
     
  11. WTFm8

    WTFm8 Active Member

    Cool.

    Except dynamic orion is coming. Think it holds stops now? Just wait. LOL
     
  12. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    LOL! I see some of you have already commented on this.
    The man behind ORION.

     
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  13. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    I don't think Orion does anything with the addresses. That would be the SPA system, but I could be wrong. Orion will split air, ground and savers out. And it will put savers in with pick ups on my route, when I have no time between pick ups to do any deliveries.
     
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  14. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Orion works? Shoot, I guess I better start following it. I wonder how long before my Center Manager's head explodes.
     
  15. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    They don’t enforce it anymore in fact I know how to switch it off from the dispatchers computer.
     
  16. DumbTruckDriver

    DumbTruckDriver Allergic to cardboard.

    We had a young driver running Orion on an unfamiliar route sink the truck deep into a muddy pasture in the middle of the night. That had to be an expensive tow truck bill. Missed a bunch of stops. Thanks Orion.
     
  17. Dragon

    Dragon Package Center Manager

    You see the end result of your route not set up prior to the plan running. No PDS has time to re-do every route every day based on what stops he/she will give you. It is impossible. They should have at least 4 perfect base plans that they can copy from everyday. There are 3 other programs that affect the DPS plan which then = Orion. Your PDS or PTPDS has to clean those up and at a minimum update consignees.

    You PDS does not know how to fix the freeway issue. It can be fixed, he/she either is blowing you off or does not know how to do it.

    Looking forward to Dynamic Orion..gonna make it even better!
     
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  18. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Wonder what the self driving trucks would do in this situation.
     
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  19. Maple Grove MN Driver

    Maple Grove MN Driver Cocaine Mang!


    Doubtful
    Orion is a utter and total failure
     
  20. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    I think everyone should head over to the YouTube video and troll the :censored2: out of it in the comments. Or....congratulate the guy for pulling off one of the most epic scams on a Fortune 500 company.
     
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