Then and now....

bbsam

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Having destroyed their bodies making somebody else rich and are then jettisoned back out into the economy in a no longer employable state but decades away from full retirement. I guess that's perfectly ok in the eyes of some employers provided that they can continue to hide behind the dirty laundry called "business".
Welcome to American capitalism. Capitalism in general probably.
 

bbsam

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What an idiotic comment. I worked at Express for 12 years as a courier. You could do the job for 100 years and retire in one piece. It’s an envelope and 3 pound box job. It’s not even remotely close to the job of a UPS package driver. That’s a ten year job. That’s a job where if you make it to retirement you’re completely broken down. FedEx Express courier ten year job lolol. What’s so hard about delivering a crate full of envelopes.? Lolol. And when I worked at Express, Ground wasn’t what it was today. The job has to be even easier now. Everything must go Ground now. Ground wasn’t anywhere near the established arm of company it must be now.
What an idiotic comment. Why would Express pay to deliver high dollar pay for envelopes after seeing how little they have to pay Ground? Why pay union scale? Why provide healthcare? Why provide retirement? If anything, they should shift a lot of that revenue to Ground...oh...I’ll be damned!
 

Aquaman

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What an idiotic comment. Why would Express pay to deliver high dollar pay for envelopes after seeing how little they have to pay Ground? Why pay union scale? Why provide healthcare? Why provide retirement? If anything, they should shift a lot of that revenue to Ground...oh...I’ll be damned!
If they want to go that route, fine. The problem is they still project the idea that this company is not just as great as it always was... but better. There’s no honesty in the way Express is run. Every single person up the management chain does nothing but lie. It’s not the same company it was even 10 years ago. Express used to be Fred’s baby until he realized how fast & efficient ground could be. The pay progression is a joke. They can’t stick to anything they put in place. And more & more really good employees are walking out the door due to realizing the lies. I work with a guy who’s been here 3 years. He’s still on step 1... he was told during his interview top out took 10 “YEARS”. He’s a solid employee. The kind the company should focus on retaining. But he’s realized he was lied to and is on a 30 year pace to top out. So out the door he goes. The culture of this company now is get out while you can.
 

It will be fine

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If they want to go that route, fine. The problem is they still project the idea that this company is not just as great as it always was... but better. There’s no honesty in the way Express is run. Every single person up the management chain does nothing but lie. It’s not the same company it was even 10 years ago. Express used to be Fred’s baby until he realized how fast & efficient ground could be. The pay progression is a joke. They can’t stick to anything they put in place. And more & more really good employees are walking out the door due to realizing the lies. I work with a guy who’s been here 3 years. He’s still on step 1... he was told during his interview top out took 10 “YEARS”. He’s a solid employee. The kind the company should focus on retaining. But he’s realized he was lied to and is on a 30 year pace to top out. So out the door he goes. The culture of this company now is get out while you can.
Why should the company focus on retaining employees?
 

McFeely

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Why should the company focus on retaining employees?

One could argue (at least at Express) that a longer-term employee:
-takes better care of the customer, which in turn can lead to more business from that customer
-has less accidents and mistakes
-works more efficiently due to area knowledge

I realize all of those items can be argued against as we all work with some morons at Express, Ground, UPS, etc. but I know I see better results from the longer-term employees at Express. The revolving door that Express is using is costing the company more in overtime wages, accidents, and unhappy customers.
 

MAKAVELI

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What an idiotic comment. Why would Express pay to deliver high dollar pay for envelopes after seeing how little they have to pay Ground? Why pay union scale? Why provide healthcare? Why provide retirement? If anything, they should shift a lot of that revenue to Ground...oh...I’ll be damned!
The problem with that assertion is the customer pays top $ for Express service. You're simply not going to get that level of control and service by having contractors take it over.
 

ManInBrown

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If they want to go that route, fine. The problem is they still project the idea that this company is not just as great as it always was... but better. There’s no honesty in the way Express is run. Every single person up the management chain does nothing but lie. It’s not the same company it was even 10 years ago. Express used to be Fred’s baby until he realized how fast & efficient ground could be. The pay progression is a joke. They can’t stick to anything they put in place. And more & more really good employees are walking out the door due to realizing the lies. I work with a guy who’s been here 3 years. He’s still on step 1... he was told during his interview top out took 10 “YEARS”. He’s a solid employee. The kind the company should focus on retaining. But he’s realized he was lied to and is on a 30 year pace to top out. So out the door he goes. The culture of this company now is get out while you can.
I worked at Express with a 19 year courier who wasn’t at top rate. Jeff Bezos wants to let his employees know that the union is bad. Lolol. Why would you need a union. When I left Express after 12 years, I was $8+ an hour away from what top rate was at the time. In my first year at UPS I was making more than I was making at FedEx after putting in 12 years.
 

It will be fine

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Well, for example, our station has one of those lower quality employees you admire, and in less than a year he has totaled two trucks. It’s called false economy.
Do you believe the company should make policy based on a single bad driver in one station? Do you believe they don’t weigh the cost of increased accidents vs the cost of higher compensation that may reduce accidents? Is your single data point more valid than the data across the nation?
 

bbsam

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The problem with that assertion is the customer pays top $ for Express service. You're simply not going to get that level of control and service by having contractors take it over.
It doesn’t matter and you know it. Express ALWAYS has exceptions for service. It’s all about the Benjamins.
 

It will be fine

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Fine as long as you never run out of replacements and judging by the nationwide search more contractors are undertaking it would appear that more parts of the country are running out of them.
The 30% growth of last year is a more likely explanation for increased hiring. The point stands, there’s hardly any operational benefit of a 10 year driver over a 1 year driver. A 10 year vet is more likely to be injured. The company can get more value by investing in tech to get new hires productive quickly than spending on increased wages in hopes of improving retention.
 

vantexan

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Fine as long as you never run out of replacements and judging by the nationwide search more contractors are undertaking it would appear that more parts of the country are running out of them.
With so many out of work due to the pandemic it would have to be a very lightly populated area to not have enough candidates.
 

bacha29

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The 30% growth of last year is a more likely explanation for increased hiring. The point stands, there’s hardly any operational benefit of a 10 year driver over a 1 year driver. A 10 year vet is more likely to be injured. The company can get more value by investing in tech to get new hires productive quickly than spending on increased wages in hopes of improving retention.
After these comments don't ever try to tell us that you're a New England liberal. You get more like Fat Freddy every day. You want people to preserve, protect and defend your interests .but you don't want to be obligated to them in any way. Fine just as long as you don't expect them to give a rodent's expletive deleted about whether or not you remain in the good graces of Fat Freddy. Sounds like you too have been to the Fedex Mind Control And Reeducation Academy.
And don't even think about trying to tell us that what you have is a legitimate business.
As long as you are subjected on a continuous daily basis to the stern governance and absolute control on the part of your one and only customer and every cent of money you have is tied up in equipment whose specifications are designed to exclusively serve that one and only customer with no alternative uses or applications you simply do not have a true and genuine business.
 

vantexan

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After these comments don't ever try to tell us that you're a New England liberal. You get more like Fat Freddy every day. You want people to preserve, protect and defend your interests .but you don't want to be obligated to them in any way. Fine just as long as you don't expect them to give a rodent's expletive deleted about whether or not you remain in the good graces of Fat Freddy. Sounds like you too have been to the Fedex Mind Control And Reeducation Academy.
And don't even think about trying to tell us that what you have is a legitimate business.
As long as you are subjected on a continuous daily basis to the stern governance and absolute control on the part of your one and only customer and every cent of money you have is tied up in equipment whose specifications are designed to exclusively serve that one and only customer with no alternative uses or applications you simply do not have a true and genuine business.
Well of course he's a New England liberal. What you don't get is the socialism you seek is to control the masses. @It will be fine considers himself one of the intelligentsia who will control the masses. He gets a better life, better perks for doing so. You have it in your head there will be an egalitarian paradise with equal outcomes. But that's not human nature. There will always be those who believe they are superior and thus deserve more. That's the difference between socialism and capitalism. Socialist leaders don't contribute to the greater good, they just control. Soon everything falls apart. Capitalists get rich by building a better mousetrap that benefits people. The richest create things that benefit the most. And unfortunately there will always be people like you who resent their wealth and long for a world where all have plenty and no one has too much. Doesn't work that way, and never will.
 
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