I believe it, in light of recent votes, or at least the perception of recent votes. Many people I talk to no longer believe that their vote counts after watching numerous rejected offers ratified anyway. Then there is the 65% of the UPS work force that are disposable, part time, indigent workers who go largely uneducated and unrepresented in these negotiations. It is very easy for me to believe, if I step down from my soap box and take a step back into someone else's shoes. What's the old adage?....doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results, is the definition of insanity.