Browndriver5
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you said double their size.... That would mean we would have 600,000 employees. Not too bright are you ?
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Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Employees mean jack squat. Who measures by employees?
Revenue and no we aren't double their size anymore I see.
You're arguing on sheer size and you need to be looking at things like revenue and profit margins.
Browndriver5
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And if we payed our employees http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=FedEx_Ground/Hourly_Rate
Like the link above... Our profits would probably be triple theirs
Like the link above... Our profits would probably be triple theirs
Atlanta is well aware of that. Ponder that as you consider the future of UPS.
Browndriver5
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You just said....we are more profitable because we are double their size...then I post a number and it's not quite double the size of fed ex so you back your argument up and say "who measures a company by employee size?" Damn I see why a route is still hard for you after 10 years
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Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Atlanta is also well aware of the fact that there is no way they get the same production for $15 an hour. So how much more would they really make.
Also are there 200k more DOT qualified drivers willing to do it for that little?
Browndriver5
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Our profit margins are not that far off. They made 46b and profited 2 billion. We made 58 b and profited 3b. So if we payed full time drivers 15$ an hour with no insurance and part timers just worked for 11$ an he with no insurance. Then our numbers would look a whole lot better than theirs. Understand now?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
We could have 8 million more employees than them and it wouldn't mean jack squat if we didn't profit.Are you ain retarded? You just said....we are more profitable because we are double their size...then I post a number and it's not quite double the size of fed ex so you back your argument up and say "who measures a company by employee size?" Damn I see why a route is still hard for you after 10 years
You originally said WE MAKE A BILLION MORE DOLLARS PROFIT THAN THEM. Like its this big special thing. It's not. Look at profit MARGINS. That's where you get the big picture. No one gives a
about how many people each company employees.Total packages. Revenue. Profit. Margins. That's all the things that matter.
There will be when UPS trains them. I think they've started.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Sure if you paid them
And got the exact same production out of them but that's fantasy land.
Browndriver5
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I just don't see people who are already full time or a cover driver getting a 16-20$ an hour pay cut
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
They ain't doing it for $15 an hour.
If ups wants to drop their standards across the board sure maybe but what they will likely end up with is a bunch of people quitting a month or two in.
Browndriver5
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I've been thinking and I just think our insurance will be taken away. That's a big chunk of change ups would save
Browndriver5
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If they dropped our pay everyone would go on strike and ups would be stuck because no matter what being a ups driver or employee + years you're almost guaranteed to find a job paying more than 15$ an hour. Hell I'll go work at McDonald's and be in a real Union lol
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Current employees would be grandfathered.
Browndriver5
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But it make you wonder why they are hiring all these drivers if they are just going to grandfather them all in?
The Driver
I drive.
And UPS management is thinking only one thing: "Where else will people turn to?" There's no way they weren't going to go to full dimensional weight pricing.
UPS Preloader
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As much as I hate to say it. I must agree with Upstate on this one. UPS cannot continue to survive paying all drivers top rate. I forsee them starting all new drivers at a lower rate, say $18.75 per hour with annual increases after that. For those of you that say the union will never allow it, remember, that's exactly what they did with the part-timers. All they need to do is entice the part timers to vote it in. If they offered all part-timers a $1K-$2K bonus upon contract ratification I think the part-timers would show up in droves and throw the full-timers under the bus.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
It's how we should of been pricing everything for years.
Browndriver5
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I disagree a lot of part timers work for ups in hopes to be a driver one day. What's the point in waiting 10 years to make 18$ an hour?
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