Loading trucks for 4 hours and then taking out a packed route for up to 10 hours is not “a combination of 2 part time jobs”. Sorry.
Contract Change proposals. "On Topic Only Please"
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Loading trucks for 4 hours and then taking out a packed route for up to 10 hours is not “a combination of 2 part time jobs”. Sorry.
Because it would have been aing stupid question.
Integrity
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Thanks,
@MenInBrown is who you can refer any comments about said question.
@MenInBrown is who you can refer any comments about said question.
You’re nothing but a Company propagandist and a waste of time.
Integrity
Binge Poster
That does not seem to be inline with the described intent of the language.
It absolutely is. The language simultaneously gives no Article 37 overtime protections to 22.4s and only guarantees RPCDs 40 hour workweeks “if work is available”. The two go hand-in-hand.
Integrity
Binge Poster
This is untrue but as far as the second half of your statement:
I would counsel anyone not to participate in discussion threads that they view as a waste of time.
This is just not a wise use of your time.
You are a waste of time in a discussion that is not. There is a difference.
Integrity
Binge Poster
Not true. It is and always has been understood that senior employees get OT before junior employees. Senior drivers will be able to work OT before combo drivers.
Integrity
Binge Poster
Don't get it but ok.
Coldworld
Well-Known Member
There is absolutely zero language in this contract to address that... period... we gave ups some “flexibility” in the contract for sat and sun hybrid drivers.... we have given them some flexibility in regards to working these hybrids inside the building to help with the MASSIVE turnover rate that this company has had for the last many years....but there HAS to be language stating that they can only drive outside sat and Sunday for half their shift and the other half has to be inside the Bldg.... and they get to be on the 9.5 list....take it back to the committee and rework this language... among other things like article 37, how about another 8 hour day since we have these hybrids now!?? How about the 1.00 an hour raise that we all deserve... 5000 full time jobs is a joke especially when that 5k will be filled by these sleeper team and 22.4 drivers in a heartbeat.... how about language for 22.3 and ft drivers......add 5000 each year for the life of this contract.... 1000 22.3 jobs per year of the life of this contract
Per Article 22, Section 4.4, no RPCD shall be laid off while 22.4s are working. That’s not the same as RPCDs getting overtime first. And the Company will still be able to invoke the “if there is no work” wording after they run 22.4s half to death every weekend. “Sorry, RPCD. No work for you today.” No guarantees.
Of course you don’t. Playing stupid and pretending you “don’t get” what the other person is saying is an easy way to avoid having to defend your own indefensible viewpoint.
Coldworld
Well-Known Member
People would start respecting you more if you stopped posting In riddles and such nonsense... hell nobody even knows what you do for this company or if you even work here....you can tell us if you’re mgt or a union employee....what’s the big fricken deal???
BrownSkid
LeBrown Shames
Lol, "intent". Company will always use and abuse us. That is their intent. Always will be.
Question is, will we allow it? Vote accordingly.
@Integrity would agree with you, if he were a Union hourly. But he’s a Company man. So he’ll either reply with an “I don’t understand” or respond with another question so he doesn’t have to address your response.
BrownSkid
LeBrown Shames
From feeder side of things...
In feeders, our biggest concern, was, and is, subcontracting.
Maybe package car drivers and part-timers don't understand that, but this may be UPS's biggest in to eliminate the vast majority of us. Nothing happens overnight, but it isn't hard to see their road map on how they can accomplish it.
A few years ago, UPS bought Coyote Logistics for $1.8 billion. That's with a B, people. Coyote wasn't a trucking company. They were a dispatch company that matched independent truckers with companies needing freight moved. And they did it and do it on the cheap.
Now UPS is in charge of Coyote, or what used to be called Coyote. And they didn't shell out $1.8B to pad the bottom line.
As soon as peak comes around, UPS gets on the line and starts filling our loads with the Coyote scabs. And UPS being UPS, they use these drivers to shuttle around our loads all year round when they think they can. And with the poor language in our last contract, it's tough to document when this happens.
You see, the language states that only the ORIGIN hub can file a grievance on contractors moving our loads. And since a lot of our loads are off-property--rail yards, satellite lots--it can be hard to know when gypos are taking our loads. It's much easier to see a gypo coming into a hub than leaving it, because they may not be actually leaving the yard proper.
But we are nothing, if not vigilant. Here, drivers are keyed to gypos, and spotters can use their computers to look up origin loads. Then we use the UPS Teamsters Facebook page to call out to the origin hub, so they can file the appropriate grievance. We don't care if we get paid, but we want SOMEONE to get paid. And others do the same.
And yes, Denis T thought he would throw us a plastic bone, by adding language in the proposed contract, to include DESTINATION hubs that can also file on gypos carrying our work. That might be okay, if the union fought to get the core problem addressed, but they haven't.
And that's not even the big problem with the new language. He made much about how UPS will now pull many loads off the rail to make 2000 new sleeper jobs. Sounds real groovy.
Ah, but the devil is in Taylor's work. And his contract words.
For example, Article 26, Sec. 6, states, the company commits that the number of new drivers to REMOVE loads from the rail shall be, at least, 2000, over the length of the contract. Notice the word REMOVE, and not RUN.
That same section says, that if UPS hires 200 drivers by year end 2019, and 450 drivers in each addition year, for the remainder of the contract, then, "it shall have the right to cover these RUNS with substitute means of transportation."
Well, you don't have to be real smart to see how big of
In other words, those 2000 jobs, that Taylor wants to tout, basically amount to local jobs pulling loads off the rail to give to low-cost contractors to run on the roads. Jobs that we USED to run.
You'd have to be stupid to not see how this is like water running under the foundation of your dream home. It's only a matter of time before it collapses.
And if it happens to feeders, do you really think it can't happen in package car?
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As far as this video of this Hoffa stooge goes, I can match, and raise you this video, for balance:
- And as a final word, this clown has cans of Hamm's beer on his table. Hamm's? Are you kidding me? Is Pabst's beer not cheap enough for this people? Can you even BUY Hamm's beer anymore? And WHY?
BrownSkid
LeBrown Shames
If one doesn't understand, it's because they dont walk in our shoes. I'll be happy to educate and explain.
Company cares about our safety = lip service.
They will increase our hours (70) when they require it. With no regard to our health. Otherwise they would not push this on us. But they will, again and again. All while using CHEAPER classification (22.4).
Again the Company cares about 1 thing, that is to use us and abuse with the language as it is written. There is your intent.
They will use that 70 hours a lot. Can't remember the exact wording was but they can call anytime they want....peak.
BrownSkid
LeBrown Shames
Exactly, we get paid double time after 60, but do you think Co. will use RPCD's or throw in the 22.4's at much less $$.
It's not fair for those guys starting out and being whipped like this... I read some posts elsewhere some PT's will vote yes, like really?¿ smh
They don't know....
Because they think they are getting a shot at a full time combo job. We all know it's going to be 100% driving
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