Full-timer has more seniority than any part-timers for picking vacations?

[Method Mensch]

Our 22.3 guys have their own seniority list and they pick their own vacations. Part timers have their own as well as drivers and feeders we all pick our own vacations.

Are you covered under The New England Supplement?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Our 22.3 guys have their own seniority list and they pick their own vacations. Part timers have their own as well as drivers and feeders we all pick our own vacations.

I will find out the answer this week how it's handled here.

 

[Johney]

Are you covered under The New England Supplement?

No.

 

[Method Mensch]

Well until someone grieves it there is no reason to change what they do right? Has it ever been grieved?

Not to my knowledge. My BA said that we were sure to lose if we grieved it.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

News to me: apparently since the onset of the 22-3 position, management has been sticking 23-3s into part-timer vacation picking list. Here's the kicker: they've been giving the full-timers seniority over ANY and ALL part-timers. There is nothing in the contract that allows for it. I'm looking at the Master Agreement and the New England Supplement. Anyone have any insight into this? How the hell do they get away with this?

Because UPS cannot have proper staffing if there are separate lists. 22.3 FT has outgrown part-time, at least in the hub. Because of this, the two lists clash. That is what I have seen locally.

I could be wrong or not fully correct, but this is a really good guess if you work in a large hub

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I would also want to point out that there are still separate lists where I am, at least to my knowledge, through 2017.

 

[Method Mensch]

No.

I think it's a case of something that's gone on for a long time, despite it being against the contract.

 

[Johney]

Not to my knowledge. My BA said that we were sure to lose if we grieved it.

If that's the case then it appears you're screwed.

 

[Method$]

22.3= 2 p/t jobs to make one full time. So.. if 22.3 has seniority on one shift but not another does 22.3 take 1/2 vacation??? No.

That’s why here we bid 22.3 vacations separate from the p/t they work with.

 

[cosmo1]

Is there some sort of seniority list for the 22.3 and part timers? Are they separate or all on the same list? Vacations are picked based off of some type of seniority list as far as I know.

22.3s here pick off their own list, as it should be.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Just because the contract doesn't allow for it doesn't mean it prohibits it. If it doesn't address the issue, it's a situation where past practices comes into play. You can talk to your BA about trying to get the issue addressed in negotiations, but you would need to have a decent sized group of pters to back you up.

 

[Brownslave688]

It's like that here. Full-time Trumps part time.

As it should

 

[brown_trousers]

Exactly. The contract backs this position up. I got bumped, and I'm .

Does it really? What does the contract language actually state?

 

[Method Mensch]

Does it really? What does the contract language actually state?

"Part-time employees will work off the part-time employee seniority list in their building.,"

 

[PT Car Washer]

Tried that with me a couple of times. The Union shot it down. Two separate list and if it causes staffing issues, that is on management to fix.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

We have two separate lists and I think but am not sure that the 23.3’s are on the PT list.

 

[Sweeper]

I’m in New England 22.3 jobs are all higher seniority employees, bottom guy has over 15 years, and all pick off the full time vacation lists in each building with the package drivers. I’m of the opinion that they should have a separate list. Drives me nuts that they use part time employees to cover their vacations. They also use part timers to cover 22.2 vacations in my local.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I’m in New England 22.3 jobs are all higher seniority employees, bottom guy has over 15 years, and all pick off the full time vacation lists in each building with the package drivers. I’m of the opinion that they should have a separate list. Drives me nuts that they use part time employees to cover their vacations. They also use part timers to cover 22.2 vacations in my local.

I'm in NE and that is not how it works. 22.3 picks from the FT preload/hub/air lists But never mixed with package car drivers, and I have worked most every 22.3 job available.

 

[brown_trousers]

"Part-time employees will work off the part-time employee seniority list in their building.,"

Wrong section. You need to find vacation bidding in your supplement and/or rider

 

[barnyard]

It's like that here. Full-time Trumps part time.

That is the way it is in my building also. The 22.3 jobs are all combo jobs, their schedules are posted with the PT schedules and they pick 1st for vacations. In my building, 22.3 schedules are covered by PT people when the 22.3 people are on vacation.