Now what? Opt In / Opt Out

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BrownShark, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    Well, its official. In our building, not ONE driver signed up for the OPT out list. There are over 400 drivers in our building.

    In order to comply with the new language, this would translate into 42.105 new cars three days out of the week, every week for 5 months.

    Is the company prepared to hire this many new drivers in 30 days in a declining economy??

    This bad language will get its first test next month.

    Cover drivers cannot be used to "supplement" the work force and specific language prevents their usage.

    The center managers are already scratching their heads wondering how they are going to manage the dispatch next month and comply with this language.

    As i said before, this particular language was poorly constructed, and saidly implemented into our contract.

    Good luck in your centers.

  2. BigBrownSanta

    BigBrownSanta New Member

    Re: Now what? Opt In / Opt Out

    Looks like there's going to be alot of triple time payouts, supervisors working, and over 9.5 harassment.
  3. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    These opt in/opt out lists are not in our building yet.

    My question is: Do you have to sign either? You say no one signed to "opt out". Does that mean 400 drivers signed the "opt in"?
  4. babboo25

    babboo25 Active Member

    The new contract hasnt even been ratified yet. How is this already possible???
  5. Penguin

    Penguin New Member

    HAHAHAHAHAHA, the economy grows every year regardless of what happens. Heck, some of my investments are up 30+% this year alone! :greedy:
  6. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    Anyone that thinks that just by signing to opt-in to the 9.5 language means they will reduce your workload is in for a rude awakening.
  7. Fullhouse

    Fullhouse Member

    They will just leave the Christmas allowance in! :peaceful:
  8. KTB

    KTB New Member

    Sorry, but that's actually a good thing. More driving opportunities for part timers that want to go full time. Or even for those that just want to cover drive. Less overtime for the existing drivers who just want to go home. More hourlies paying union dues. I fail to see the problem with this. If I were management I'd be a bit stressed about filling the positions, but it sounds like that's a win/win/win for us hourlies.

    I hope my hub has as many opt in.
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2007
  9. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned


    did you miss the point of my post?
  10. satellitedriver

    satellitedriver Moderator Staff Member

    The economy is a roller coaster ride. Heck, some of my investments are up 300% and some are down 30%. If you have lived long enough, you will see that the economy doesn't grow regardless.
  11. mikeb

    mikeb tnbrown

    How is this possible? The new contract doesnt start til Aug. '08. if its ratified. Your center should not have posted these yet.
  12. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    Over 9.5,

    the list HAS to be posted in your center as EVERYONE is mandated to signup on the lists 10 days before the First (1st) of January.

    This is the new language and it goes into effect on Jan 1.

    Better tell your Center Manager to inform himself.

  13. BrownShark

    BrownShark Banned

    Mike B,

    No offense, but are you actually serious here? Ratified? What do you think just happened? Those votes that just got counted were for what in your opinion?

    Once again, I say the same thing that everyone seems to have missed.



    Why does everyone still believe the contract ends on July 31 2008??????

  14. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    I didn't realize that myself. I just looked at the draft of the proposed contract that was mailed out with the ballots and it does say "Upon the Period of Ratification, 2007 through July 31, 2013." I wonder what effects early ratification could have on everyone. This might be why many of the full-time jobs that were up for bad last summer around the country were put on hold. I'm sure the new contract has something to do with it.
  15. cino321

    cino321 Active Member

    I can't wait for this sucker to be posted in my center, I see a lot of money in my future for time I never worked.
  16. KTB

    KTB New Member

    Actually... yeah. :sad-little:
  17. babboo25

    babboo25 Active Member

    So does this mean we get our first raise this spring????
  18. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    No offense but how could you have not known it? Did you not read the contract before you voted?
  19. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    It not official until ALL areas have voted Yes on it. Is that not right?
  20. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    I read them (National and Southern Supplement) front to back...minus the date of ratification. I, like many people, went straight for the articles because I was under the impression that the current contract would have to expire before a new one could start. I voted no anyway so not catching that detail isn't a factor for me. If I had voted yes and then discovered that I missed that I'm not sure I'd be too upset with myself at this point because I'm still not sure what effects this will have on us. I'm sure something will present itself though because I don't think the UPS side of the negotiating table would have pushed for the early ratification if it didn't benefit them in some way. And we all know that when it benefits them it doesn't necessarily benefit us hourly folk.