"On Topic" is this ethical?

[WorknLateHuh]

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you should be ashamed of yourself. You didn't see the "on topic"?

I 's threads are serious business!!

 

[trickpony1]

you should be ashamed of yourself. You didn't see the "on topic"?

I 's threads are serious business!!

You forgot to subscript your post with...

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[Integrity]

you should be ashamed of yourself. You didn't see the "on topic"?

I 's threads are serious business!!

Thank you for the support!

 

[Integrity]

You asked two questions ... I answered them.

My bad, sorry.

 

[Wally]

you should be ashamed of yourself. You didn't see the "on topic"?

I 's threads are serious business!!

Monkey face?

 

[35years]

I swear. I did not summon the dead.

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[IESucks]

To All,

Is it ethical for a company to give its employees training, going so far as to having employees even sign papers stating they understand that they are required to follow the methods or training and then have local supervision, management not enforce and/or reinforce the following of the company training on a day to day basis. Local management actually forces the employees into not following the companies training methods and policies by creating a culture that discourages following training methods by having a rush your work and speed at all cost mentality.

Is it a further breach of ethical management by insisting on methods and training only when there is an audit, a visit or some other reason for presenting a workplace that is false and does not represent regular everyday business as usual?

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Wow. You summed up ups

 

[watdaflock?]

Why are Integrity's posts about beating dead horses? Where is "breach of ethical management" covered in the supplement?

 

[Integrity]

Wow. You summed up ups

Are you saying this a regular, routine and common practice at UPS?

Would you go so far as to say it is part of the culture at UPS?

 

[Integrity]

Why are Integrity's posts about beating dead horses? Where is "breach of ethical management" covered in the supplement?

Not sure what you mean.

Instead of criticizing the post or the member why don't you just comment and your thoughts about the topic.

 

[Integrity]

I swear. I did not summon the dead.

Delete

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[Wally]

Why are Integrity's posts about beating dead horses? Where is "breach of ethical management" covered in the supplement?

 

[Integrity]

Is this meant to be funny?

 

[Wally]

Is this meant to be funny?

It would be unethical of me to answer due to personal reasons.

 

[Integrity]

It would be unethical of me to answer due to personal reasons.

Is this comment meant to be funny also?

 

[Brohn Bron]

Management knows that the work will cost more by following the methods. The culture of the company is "make a number at all cost". I believe they teach the method just so their lawyers can say that the taught us the right way after we get hurt.
I would even say that in some cases the people that DO follow the methods are accused of "being slow", "lazy" etc. the ones that don't follow them are faster and fall under less criticism from management.
Yes. In my opinion this is all unethical.

Absolutely spot on. Management are people too, trying to boost their own numbers at any turn.

The methods are a liability blanket constructed by their lawyers to mitigate the companies responsibility in the event something happens. Break your ankle not using a hand rail, friend off. Didn’t use the hand rail.

 

[Bubblehead]

Management knows that the work will cost more by following the methods. The culture of the company is "make a number at all cost". I believe they teach the method just so their lawyers can say that the taught us the right way after we get hurt.
I would even say that in some cases the people that DO follow the methods are accused of "being slow", "lazy" etc. the ones that don't follow them are faster and fall under less criticism from management.
Yes. In my opinion this is all unethical.

I'll take this one step further, although you already touched on it briefly.

The "methods" and various other trainings, coupled with the existence of the so-called "Safety Committees" are in place to reduce the Company's perceived liabilities, nothing else.

This Company absolutely does not want to discourage "at risk" behavior, they just attempt to document that they do.
In reality, they bank on us not doing as we are trained, in order to meet otherwise unattainable metrics.
You need not look any further than the areas that have bonus/incentive programs in place to reward those who are willing to paint outside the lines to validate this assertion.

Make no mistake, this Company and it's policies and procedures rest on a foundation of hypocrisy, designed to leverage our professional lives against our personal lives.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This may surprise most of you but it is possible to work both quickly and safely.

 

[Bubblehead]

This may surprise most of you but it is possible to work both quickly and safely.

"Work quickly" by who's standards?

Couldn't those words "quickly and safely" in the same sentence be considered an oxymoron?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

"Work quickly" by who's standards?

Couldn't those words "quickly and safely" in the same sentence be considered an oxymoron?

Only if you are an actual maroon.