Southern Baptist Convention Throws Out Saddleback Church

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DriveInDriѵeOut

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So a church decided they didn't believe the same fundamental tenets as the Southern Baptist Convention that they were a part of.

Instead of simply choosing to not be a part of the SBC, they chose to act contrary to the beliefs of the group, and then whine that SBC should change to accommodate them.

Why am I not surprised this megachurch is in California?
 

Thebrownblob

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I'm very familiar with the Baptist Church. And they are very Bible based. Do you think they aren't aware of that verse? Seriously?
It’s all available for him to see he just doesn’t want to because he enjoys what he does.


“Southern Baptists believe the place to begin in this, as in all doctrinal questions, is to ask, "What does the Bible say?" Even a cursory reading of the pertinent texts prompts three important observations: 1) there were no known women pastors in New Testament times; 2) none of the instructions regarding church order include instructions for women pastors; and 3) some texts on church order explicitly forbid women to occupy that role. In 1 Timothy 2:12, written with the specific purpose of regulating the office of pastor and the orderly function of the churches, Paul writes, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man" (NIV). Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5 and 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15). He concludes women cannot have a pastoral position, or perform the pastoral function, for that puts them in authority over men in the life of the church.”
 

oldngray

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So a church decided they didn't believe the same fundamental tenets as the Southern Baptist Convention that they were a part of.

Instead of simply choosing to not be a part of the SBC, they chose to act contrary to the beliefs of the group, and then whine that SBC should change to accommodate them.

Why am I not surprised this megachurch is in California?
Logic like that should end any further argument. Despite what someone might want to believe.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Right especially when the group in question, at least has some doctrinal basis for what they believe instead of just what they “feel”
The SBC has it in writing that member churches agree to adhere to. Saddleback was warned and when they continued to disobey they got kicked out.
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
It’s all available for him to see he just doesn’t want to because he enjoys what he does.


“Southern Baptists believe the place to begin in this, as in all doctrinal questions, is to ask, "What does the Bible say?" Even a cursory reading of the pertinent texts prompts three important observations: 1) there were no known women pastors in New Testament times; 2) none of the instructions regarding church order include instructions for women pastors; and 3) some texts on church order explicitly forbid women to occupy that role. In 1 Timothy 2:12, written with the specific purpose of regulating the office of pastor and the orderly function of the churches, Paul writes, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man" (NIV). Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5 and 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15). He concludes women cannot have a pastoral position, or perform the pastoral function, for that puts them in authority over men in the life of the church.”
No women pastors in a baptist church. If they have them, avoid those churches.
 

Thebrownblob

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No women pastors in a baptist church. If they have them, avoid those churches.
Depends, what do they look like?


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oldngray

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SBC's Executive Committee Chairman Jared Wellman said in a statement to Baptist Press that the disaffiliations came because of “the churches continuing to have a female functioning in the office of pastor.”

“As stated in the Baptist Faith and Message Article VI, the SBC holds to the belief that the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture,” stated Wellman. “These churches have been valued, cooperating churches for many years, and this decision was not made lightly. However, we remain committed to upholding the theological convictions of the SBC and maintaining unity among its cooperating churches.”
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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SBC's Executive Committee Chairman Jared Wellman said in a statement to Baptist Press that the disaffiliations came because of “the churches continuing to have a female functioning in the office of pastor.”

“As stated in the Baptist Faith and Message Article VI, the SBC holds to the belief that the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture,” stated Wellman. “These churches have been valued, cooperating churches for many years, and this decision was not made lightly. However, we remain committed to upholding the theological convictions of the SBC and maintaining unity among its cooperating churches.”
Sounds like a typical problem of megachurches.... Egotistical pastor with a god complex.

The head pastor of this church appointed his own wife as a pastor. He thinks he knows better than the SBC, and that he and his family are better than them and the bible itself. Ego.
 
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