Southern Baptist Convention Throws Out Saddleback Church

[vantexan]

And it required legislation that first had to be passed into law that gave you the power and the rule of law backing you that enabled you to form a union capitalize on the right of collective bargaining in order to gain by means of collective bargaining those pension benefits.

Only 1 problem. AT 12:01 AM on August 1 2023 every economic security you now take for granted ENDS. What happens after that?.....Stay tuned.

Those who already receive pensions have them insured by the government.

 

[Thebrownblob]

And it required legislation that first had to be passed into law that gave you the power and the rule of law backing you that enabled you to form a union capitalize on the right of collective bargaining in order to gain by means of collective bargaining those pension benefits.

Only 1 problem. AT 12:01 AM on August 1 2023 every economic security you now take for granted ENDS. What happens after that?.....Stay tuned.

On August 1 12:01 AM I’ll still have my pension regardless of what happens lol. And will have a new contract. Stay tuned. Too bad you weren’t ever bold enough to be in the union and fight for your right instead of hiding behind your government

 

[bacha29]

And that's wonderful. Please tell that to today's numbskulls who want to social engineer everything to their liking no matter what everyone else wants.

You don't say? So what have you done or plan to do in order to demonstrate your opposition to that so called "social engineering"? So far it's just been talk.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Those who already receive pensions have them insured by the government.

He knows that, he’s just being special tonight

 

[Thebrownblob]

The hard right SCOTUS now loaded with bible thumper backed Christian leaning justices. As we saw with the Dobbs decision and based on what I've read and heard especially coming from Thomas more Christian influenced decisions that will overturn finished law will be coming in the days ahead.

So on the one hand, you love government, but when it doesn’t do what you want, you don’t love it see how flawed your thinking is? That’s what happens when when you’re consumed with thinking politics and politicians and government will do something good for you. SMH they are there to serve their selves.

 

[bacha29]

I’m August 1 12:01 AM I’ll still have my pension regardless of what happens lol. And will have a new contract. Stay tuned. Too bad you weren’t ever bold enough to be in the union and fight for your right instead of hiding behind your government

So what evidence do you have to support your claim that a new contract will be reached and ratified in time? Last time it's my understanding that less than 50% of the membership even bothered to vote on the contract leaving the negotiating committee with no other choice but to impose the contract on the membership .

If anybody is hiding behind the government it's you and your fellow Teamsters . If not for the government granting you the right to form a union along with the right to collective bargaining, Today there would be NO Teamsters....NO collective bargaining. NOTHING.

 

[Thebrownblob]

So what evidence do you have to support your claim that a new contract will be reached and ratified in time? Last time it's my understanding that less than 50% of the membership even bothered to vote on the contract leaving the negotiating committee with no other choice but to impose the contract on the membership .

If anybody is hiding behind the government it's you and your fellow Teamsters . If not for the government granting you the right to form a union along with the right to collective bargaining, Today there would be NO Teamsters....NO collective bargaining. NOTHING.

Please tell me more about this 50%. I need you to educate me as if I wasn’t fully involved and know everything about it, and even was one of the ones to help change the voting process. But do school me please LOL.

 

[bacha29]

Those who already receive pensions have them insured by the government.

No private private pensions are not directly insured by the government. When a private pension fund becomes insolvent the matter is turned over tot he Pension Guaranty Corporation. A fund employers and pension funds have to contribute to in an effort to still provide some level of benefits to beneficiaries who would otherwise get nothing. Only trouble is that benefot is only about 60% of what they had been getting.

 

[vantexan]

You don't say? So what have you done or plan to do in order to demonstrate your opposition to that so called "social engineering"? So far it's just been talk.

If you were paying attention you'd know I discouraged talk of violence. Tell me, are you in favor of teaching CRT in school? How about sexually explicit books in school libraries? How do you feel about Democratic district attorneys not enforcing laws? Drag queen shows for children? Defunding the police? Blank checks for Ukraine while ignoring a chemically trashed town in Ohio? Allowing a Chinese spy balloon to hover over military installations as it floated all the way across the country? Biden's performance? His son reaping millions? I could come up with more if I think about it. You want to bring up past programs of Democrats who were a different breed from today's Dems. But you'll defend every hair brained scheme they come up with as long as big money is involved, like offering college grads half a trillion in debt relief. Do you know at present interest rates the government is going to pay $10 trillion in the next 10 years on interest to service the national debt? Do you not get how much better off we'd be if we governed responsibly? Pretty soon hard choices will have to be made as more and more of the Federal budget will go to service the debt. And they really have no choice because if we default other governments who hold all those bonds won't be buying more of them which is how we fund our government. And if we default the whole world economy crashes. Ever give this much thought when you defend our government wanting to throw half a trillion down a hole?

 

[bacha29]

Please tell me more about this 50%. I need you to educate me as if I wasn’t fully involved and know everything about it, and even was one of the ones to help change the voting process. But do school me please LOL.

That was the information I was told by some UPS drivers. Less than 50% of all eligible member didn't even vote up or down on the contract. Under union bylaws the national executive committee implemented the agreed to contract. If I was misinformed so be it. Then again it was the government that provided the finished law that made the process available to you to begin with. And that cold hard fact is something I notice that you went completely silent on....How come?

 

[Thebrownblob]

No private private pensions are not directly insured by the government. When a private pension fund becomes insolvent the matter is turned over tot he Pension Guaranty Corporation. A fund employers and pension funds have to contribute to in an effort to still provide some level of benefits to beneficiaries who would otherwise get nothing. Only trouble is that benefot is only about 60% of what they had been getting.

That was the information I was told by some UPS drivers. Less than 50% of all eligible member didn't even vote up or down on the contract. Under union bylaws the national executive committee implemented the agreed to contract. If I was misinformed so be it. Then again it was the government that provided the finished law that made the process available to you to begin with. And that cold hard fact is something I notice that you went completely silent on....How come?

I went completely silent about what? Less than 50% of the drivers voted, which is very true. It’s not true is that the provision in the bylaws of the Teamster constitution “had” to be enforced. That was the decision of the then the president it was an option he chose, but not a necessity. The company was already ready to return to the table. As a delegate at the teamster convention, myself and the overwhelming majority voted to get rid of that by law. Your intimation that the government has involved their self in private union activities. Is it sad fact. And more often than not it has come back to bite us in the ass. The teamsters union spent several decades, trying to rid their self government oversight.

 

[vantexan]

No private private pensions are not directly insured by the government. When a private pension fund becomes insolvent the matter is turned over tot he Pension Guaranty Corporation. A fund employers and pension funds have to contribute to in an effort to still provide some level of benefits to beneficiaries who would otherwise get nothing. Only trouble is that benefot is only about 60% of what they had been getting.

That's what I mean by they are insured. And they pay out up to $81k a year. You would lose anything over that amount you would have received. If your pension is say $50k a year they'd pay that. You'd only lose a portion of that if you retired much earlier than 65. If you retired much earlier they would pay much less guaranteed. The up to $81k is if you retire at 65.

 

[bacha29]

I went completely silent about what? Less than 50% of the drivers voted, which is very true. It’s not true is that the provision in the bylaws of the Teamster constitution “had” to be enforced. That was the decision of the then the president it was an option he chose, but not a necessity. The company was already ready to return to the table. As a delegate at the teamster convention, myself and the overwhelming majority voted to get rid of that by law. Your intimation that the government has involved their self in private union activities. Is it sad fact. And more often than not it has come back to bite us in the ass. The teamsters union spent several decades, trying to rid their self government oversight.

You still can seem unable to come to terms with the fact that everything you told me about your union activities would have NEVER HAPPENED if not for the rule of law born out of legislation passed decades ago. Now you tell me given that your national president's members were so disinterested in those proceedings or flat out too damn lazy to even vote on a new contract that he clearly lacked the firepower to continue negotiating, what else could he do? His power comes in the from of a unified mindset among his members which was at that point clearly lacking. It was either take the deal on the table or risk a fracturing of an already very fragile union.

If you were paying attention you might have noticed what happened last fall regarding Spencer Patton's efforts to organize Fedex Ground contractors into a single bargaining unit. Seeing what the other FXG contractors did to that poor guy makes me glad I'm no longer one.

 

[vantexan]

Playing the victim card again. How come you haven't included in your list of grievances the fact that Rupert Murdoch the owner of Faux News admitted under oath that his newscasters and employees lied on the air regarding unfounded election fraud claims and that trump was cheated out of another term? In addition the newscasters did manage to agree to state on air on 1-05-21 you know the night before the riot that Biden did lawfully win the election but was withheld from airing because of the fear of lost viewership. If they had done so then the next days riot might not have happened and people today may not be serving time in prison. .

AS for Ukraine. I had a discussion with a member of congress today about Ukraine. What was pointed out was that given Russia's generational history of violence and brutality NATO and the West can either fight them in Donetsk or fight them at Dunkirk. As for the derailment it will likely be attributed to lax maintenance due to a program implemented by NS management to run equipment longer pull longer trains with longer maintenance intervals despite warnings from people down line .

As for the national debt. Wait till you see what happens if the US defaults come July. Even former Treasury Secretary Steve Munuchin warned Congress of what would happen if it defaulted. As for student debt forgiveness....it's only 10K. rest assured that later in life you will draw many many times more in benefits. So just where do you want to start cutting? Furthermore if the many thousands of publicly funded dollars are spent on the Hunter Biden investigation yields nothing what will McCarthy tell the American people about cutting wasteful spending?

You're sidestepping a lot there. And Russia is not capable of overrunning Europe. Period. And the student forgiveness was $20k and Biden pledged $500 billion. Geez man. You better hope Hunter is investigated. That'll give the Dems an out to get rid of Joe and Kamala.

 

[bacha29]

You're sidestepping a lot there. And Russia is not capable of overrunning Europe. Period. And the student forgiveness was $20k and Biden pledged $500 billion. Geez man. You better hope Hunter is investigated. That'll give the Dems an out to get rid of Joe and Kamala.

He's been under investigation for what 2 years now? Putin won't need to overturn Europe. he can freeze it out. starve it out of nuke it and he says he'll use them. With 16% of the world's energy under his control and if he takes Ukraine 30% of it's grain . The government of Mordova says that their nation will be the next to go if Ukraine falls and has reported that their are Russian operatives inside their country. Furthermore, Putin is reportedly get help from Iran, North Korea and China.

Want to know the real reason why Xi wants Taiwan? Taiwan is home to 56% of the world's microchip production and the Biden administration is fast tracking to return as much of that production to the US as possible before we find ourselves in the biggest naval battle since the Philippine Sea.

 

[vantexan]

He's been under investigation for what 2 years now? Putin won't need to overturn Europe. he can freeze it out. starve it out of nuke it and he says he'll use them. With 16% of the world's energy under his control and if he takes Ukraine 30% of it's grain . The government of Mordova says that their nation will be the next to go if Ukraine falls and has reported that their are Russian operatives inside their country. Furthermore, Putin is reportedly get help from Iran, North Korea and China.

Want to know the real reason why Xi wants Taiwan? Taiwan is home to 56% of the world's microchip production and the Biden administration is fast tracking to return as much of that production to the US as possible before we find ourselves in the biggest naval battle since the Philippine Sea.

Yah, there's an investigation, lol. And Putin can't do any such thing and your numbers on the grain are overblown. And it's Moldova. Do you make this up as you go?

 

[Integrity]

Are you @oldngray now?

No.

I cannot find SBC in the Bible.

Because you cannot find the SBC in the Bible do you claim it doesn’t exist?

 

[Integrity]

God defines you in the Bible. Don't worry.

IMO When a person or denomination speaks as if their understanding of the Bible is the one, true and correct one. It is a statement that is dripping with condescension.

 

[Lineandinitial]

I have been to Egypt where the Dynasty lasted 3,000 years. I saw where the Egyptian Gods had been worshipped for thousands of years. If you are basing your belief on history,well i think Egypt is much older and lasted much longer

My post had nothing to do with who was around longer nor my beliefs. TTKU

 

[oldngray]

Does he speak to you with words when you have a question? How is this help/communication accomplished?

No voices in my head. More feelings. Which is why you need to make sure they agree with Scripture and not just what I want to believe.