Southern Baptist Convention Throws Out Saddleback Church

[vantexan]

Is the Good News of Christ dependent on the Bible?

How would it have been passed down to us without the Bible? What issues that people have questions about could be addressed without scriptural guidance?

 

[vantexan]

Yes.

Are you saying the Apostles were more than men?

They were Jesus's chosen to guide the Church in the beginning. As such they had authority and their writings were guided by the Holy Spirit. For you to say you can take or leave what they wrote means to me that you've elevated yourself to their level, not lowered them to yours. As such I believe you've developed a messianic complex.

 

[Integrity]

How would it have been passed down to us without the Bible?

In any manner they used prior to the established religion of the day assembled the writings to be deemed the Bible by religious tradition.

Means to spread the Good News other than written religious texts are still in use today. They always have been.

What issues that people have questions about could be addressed without scriptural guidance?

Any issue can be addressed without scriptural guidance.

I do find the Bible useful for religious and spiritual guidance at times.

 

[Integrity]

They were Jesus's chosen to guide the Church in the beginning.

Does this make them more than men?

As such they had authority and their writings were guided by the Holy Spirit.

Does this make them more than men?

For you to say you can take or leave what they wrote means to me that you've elevated yourself to their level, not lowered them to yours.

No elevating or lowering on my part. Do you say the apostles were more than men?

As such I believe you've developed a messianic complex.

Yikes.

 

[vantexan]

In any manner they used prior to the established religion of the day assembled the writings to be deemed the Bible by religious tradition.

Means to spread the Good News other than written religious texts are still in use today. They always have been.

Any issue can be addressed without scriptural guidance.

I do find the Bible useful for religious and spiritual guidance at times.

Can you point to a Christian body that didn't have access to Bibles but passed down the story of Jesus and the requirements for salvation through oral traditions since Christ's death and resurrection?

 

[vantexan]

Does this make them more than men?

Does this make them more than men?

No elevating or lowering on my part. Do you say the apostles were more than men?

Yikes.

It means that you can take their writings as God's inspired word. But not yours.

 

[BrownFlush]

@upschuck
Since you haven’t given me a comment # to address and looking at your comments to me, I’m gonna have to go with it was just personal and didn’t apply to any of the content or issue.

 

[Integrity]

It means that you can take their writings as God's inspired word. But not yours.

Does this make them more than men?

 

[vantexan]

Does this make them more than men?

Yes it does. They were the Apostles of Jesus whose writings were God's inspired word. As such they were much more than you and I will ever be. We must submit to God's will and part of that is following his inspired word. Again, can you name a group anywhere who have passed down the Story of Jesus generation to generation without benefit of the written word?

 

[Integrity]

Yes it does. They were the Apostles of Jesus whose writings were God's inspired word.

I disagree. I believe Jesus chose men.

As such they were much more than you and I will ever be.

That may or may not be so.

We must submit to God's will and part of that is following his inspired word.

God’s will be done not mine.

Again, can you name a group anywhere who have passed down the Story of Jesus generation to generation without benefit of the written word?

It is my understanding that any group in the 1st couple of centuries AD give or a century or 2 would qualify.

 

[vantexan]

It is my understanding that any group in the 1st couple of centuries AD give or a century or 2 would qualify.

Really? No mass communications, no automobiles. And you said that people have always relayed the story of Christ without benefit of written traditions. OK, name the groups who have for 2000 years passed along orally the Story of Christ, not to mention decided issues, without benefit of the Bible? Seriously, would be interesting to find out more about all these people worldwide who have done such. Would be inspiring.

 

[upschuck]

@upschuck
Since you haven’t given me a comment # to address and looking at your comments to me, I’m gonna have to go with it was just personal and didn’t apply to any of the content or issue.

See, you see what you want.

 

[Integrity]

Really?

?

No mass communications, no automobiles.

?

And you said that people have always relayed the story of Christ without benefit of written traditions.

Some still do.

OK, name the groups who have for 2000 years passed along orally the Story of Christ, not to mention decided issues, without benefit of the Bible?

You are kidding, I hope.

Seriously, would be interesting to find out more about all these people worldwide who have done such.

Some benefit from written religious traditions. Seems like you do. I do in part as well.

Would be inspiring.

I am frequently inspired hearing about individuals salvation stories. How God has changed and completely turned lives around through an encounter with the living Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

They are inspiring.

These stories are often and frequently told without any reference or mention of the Bible. They are simply the result of telling of the Good News.

This furthers my belief that God is not bound by or limited to the contents of a book.

I still do love the Bible though.

 

[BrownFlush]

See, you see what you want.

You're talking in circles.
Give me something in print I've asked for so we all can see. I think this is this the 4th request?

 

[Integrity]

You're talking in circles.
Give me something in print I've asked for so we all can see. I think this is this the 4th request?

IMO You do see what you want.

 

[BrownFlush]

IMO You do see what you want.

I'm offended.
Now what?

 

[Integrity]

I'm offended.
Now what?

Please forgive me for offending you.

 

[BrownFlush]

Please forgive me for offending you.

I just can't. What you said drips with a condescending spirit.
IMO you attacked me and said what you did without regard to my feelings.
You're some kind of legalist who only sees what you want.

 

[Integrity]

I just can't.

Ok.

IMO you attacked me and said what you did without regard to my feelings.

I did not take your feelings into account. I was simply affirming @upschuck clear attempts to answer you.

My bad.

You're some kind of legalist who only sees what you want.

Yikes.

I know you’ll blow this up but I think this not a perfect but a fairly decent explanation of how the Holy works a persons life.

Five Works of the Spirit in the Life of the Believer

Have at it.

 

[BrownFlush]

Ok.

I did not take your feelings into account. I was simply affirming @upschuck clear attempts to answer you.

My bad.

Yikes.

I know you’ll blow this up but I think this not a perfect but a fairly decent explanation of how the Holy works a persons life.

Five Works of the Spirit in the Life of the Believer

Have at it.

God help us!
You have trouble recognizing sarcasm?
I thought even you would see it.