OK, just a little preemptive, please think about this! I have seen it brought up in a couple of threads. Since the nightmare peak a few years back one of UPS's "solution" to fix missed X-mas deliveries was for us all to work the day after Thanksgiving (DAT). In the Central for DAT we were paid holiday pay plus double time! Just running a few quick numbers, feel free to check my math and my rational. 1. $4.12 an hour raise over 5 years (still haven't seen how they plan to break them up so an assumption on my part) breaks down to $.82/hour per year. 2. If DAT is removed as a holiday then hours worked are straight time. so we lose: 1x's holiday and the double time. Thus pay rate per hour times 2! 3. Assumption for easy math of 8 hours worked on DAT. I know its never 8 hours but making math simple here. If DAT is allowed to be changed to not being a holiday this means a loss of; ____(apply pay rate) X ($.82 as our raise) X (2) X (8 hours) Therefore in the: 1st. year- The first 706.14 hours I work I have "lost" my raise! 2nd. year- The first 738.14 hours I work my raise is negated! 3rd. year- 754.14 hours! 4th. year- 770.14 hours! 5th. year- 786.14 hours!