Updated info on the Hybrid position

a911scanner

Well-Known Member
The teamsters before me voted in the “cover driver” language and I spent 4 years doing everything a full timer does making less pay, and not earning the same benefits they received. Then when I went full time, I still had to go through progression to get where I am today.
So yes, new up coming drivers will most likely work for less. And work weekends more than me. But the opportunity is still there to eventually move into a full time position when a driver retires.

So what you're saying is... We already have a system similar to the 22.4 system? Sounds like we don't need to change anything except to hire more full-time drivers. That would solve all of the issues we are "whining" about.

Next.
 
What target ?
Current full time levels can’t be lowered. Hybrid can’t displace me.

And most of ups’s reasoning for cutting routes and working us later is because it’s cheaper to pay overtime than the extra fuel cost to run more routes. Plus with Orion( I still think this is the most flawed program ever) it’s allows them to say hey, you can run 20 more stops a day now.
The excessive overtime is good in the wallet but bad on the soul. I agree with that. I think our center alone already has like 95 grand worth of grievances on 9.5’s this year. Something like that.
 

Analbumcover

ControlPkgs
They are going to own these kids and abuse the :censored2: out of them

My question is in regards to the lower seniority full time drivers who qualified in the last few months before the new contract set in. Do we get dibs on a route if the higher seniority driver is offered the day off or does the route get bumped to a 22.4? We've got 6 drivers on our preload and local sort yet they want to hire these hybrid drivers when they're cutting routes left and right?
 

burrheadd

KING Of GIFS
My question is in regards to the lower seniority full time drivers who qualified in the last few months before the new contract set in. Do we get dibs on a route if the higher seniority driver is offered the day off or does the route get bumped to a 22.4? We've got 6 drivers on our preload and local sort yet they want to hire these hybrid drivers when they're cutting routes left and right?

That’s a legitimate question

Good luck finding an answer
 
My question is in regards to the lower seniority full time drivers who qualified in the last few months before the new contract set in. Do we get dibs on a route if the higher seniority driver is offered the day off or does the route get bumped to a 22.4? We've got 6 drivers on our preload and local sort yet they want to hire these hybrid drivers when they're cutting routes left and right?

If what I posted originally is the wording, then a hybrid can’t displace you. Meaning you have the right to run a route or that route based on your seniority.
 

Wally

BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns
What target ?
Current full time levels can’t be lowered. Hybrid can’t displace me.

And most of ups’s reasoning for cutting routes and working us later is because it’s cheaper to pay overtime than the extra fuel cost to run more routes. Plus with Orion( I still think this is the most flawed program ever) it’s allows them to say hey, you can run 20 more stops a day now.
The excessive overtime is good in the wallet but bad on the soul. I agree with that. I think our center alone already has like 95 grand worth of grievances on 9.5’s this year. Something like that.
What is excessive? Start early and 10 hours doesn't seem too bad. Start at 9 and it seems long.
 

eats packages

Deranged lunatic
What is excessive? Start early and 10 hours doesn't seem too bad. Start at 9 and it seems long.
This is the problem, you think 22.4 will do half and half and get back early but these people could easily be working 13 hours a day, 10 on-road starting at 9AM and a tiny fraction of their hours being inside.

They won't even need extra package cars if 22.4 language is run into the ground.
 

HEFFERNAN

Huge Member
What target ?
Current full time levels can’t be lowered. Hybrid can’t displace me.

And most of ups’s reasoning for cutting routes and working us later is because it’s cheaper to pay overtime than the extra fuel cost to run more routes. Plus with Orion( I still think this is the most flawed program ever) it’s allows them to say hey, you can run 20 more stops a day now.
The excessive overtime is good in the wallet but bad on the soul. I agree with that. I think our center alone already has like 95 grand worth of grievances on 9.5’s this year. Something like that.

That has nothing to do with it !!!
Overtime is cheaper than regular rate + HW/Pension contribution.
Your 10th hour is cheaper than your 1st !!!!
 

Backache41

New Member
The company doesn’t honor the contract now so don’t expect them not to abuse the hell out of this. If this passes it’s disastrous for current and future UPSers.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
I've heard that after August 1st, there will no longer be full time driver positions filled. Everyone after that date will be hired as a hybrid?? Any truth to that rumor?
No.
Read the agreement.
Only 25% of the driving positions can be filled by hybrids.
As volume increases and creates additional routes, or when a full time driver retires or goes to feeder, a hybrid will be promoted to full time in order to satisfy the 25% requirement.
 

soberups

Pees in the brown Koolaid
not only will 22.4s not be protected by 9.5 language but all current drivers regardless of progression will be forced to opt in to 9.5? it says nothing of drivers wanting to opt out and get there OT
No, the 9.5 language will apply to them, meaning they can be on the 9.5 list if they want to be.
 

Twisty

Member
I know it varies from center to center but the language as it stands now is full time,full time hybrid or whatever they're calling it then cover/causal in that order for driving seniority.Will cover drivers be offered these full time hybrid jobs?I'm at top rate will I have to start progression over again at 20$ an hour?It doesn't seem to make sense from a company stand point to move top rate covers to these positions when there main objective is to have lower paid drivers.Post if you hear any info on this matter
 

HEFFERNAN

Huge Member
No, the 9.5 language will apply to them, meaning they can be on the 9.5 list if they want to be.

The newly created 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will not fall under the Article 37 “9.5” language.

The more trailers they can unload Saturday and Sunday, the more cheap work they can pile on these new drivers.
 
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Benben

Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!

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Do you even remember the exact date you sold your soul?
 

Integrity

Binge Poster
Since the settlement in principle was reached last week with UPS for the National UPS agreement, plans have been made for negotiations on the supplemental agreements. As stated in the previous contract update (June 21), the supplemental agreements must be resolved and approved by UPS local unions first. This week’s update will focus on the new classification of Full-Time Combination Driver and further materials will be issued about other highlights of the settlement.

A new classification, Full-Time Combination Driver, will protect weekends for package-car drivers, will address the issues of excessive, forced overtime and will create thousands of new full-time job opportunities for part-time employees.

The new classification is referred to as “22.4 Combination Drivers” (Article 22, Section 4 new subsection B), similar to 22.3 combination jobs that already exist.

“Our members know that they work in a changing industry, driven by e-commerce and the ‘Amazon effect,’ where consumers want fast delivery and weekend delivery,” said Denis T, Director of the Teamsters Package Division and Co-Chairman of the Teamsters National UPS Negotiating Committee. “This new classification reflects this changing world while protecting our package-car drivers’ weekends, creating more full-time jobs and addressing excessive overtime.”

“We know how important weekends are for package-car drivers, to be able to attend their child’s activity or go away for a couple of days, and we also know how excessive, forced overtime has created upheaval within families,” Taylor said. “These new 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will address these important issues while also creating a new career position with the same excellent Teamster-negotiated benefits and a family wage.”

Here are some questions and answers:
Q: How will regular package-car positions be protected under this new 22.4 Combination Driver classification?
A: In the event that your building utilizes 22.4 Combination Drivers, current Package Drivers, referred to in the agreement as Regular Full-time Package Car Drivers (RPCD), will be protected from replacement by 22.4 Combination Drivers or any part-time cover driver as allowed in any Supplement, Rider or Addendum. If an RPCD leaves employment or bids to another classification, that job must be filled as an RPCD and continue to be covered under Article 41 Section 2. No RPCD can be laid off or displaced from their classification while any 22.4 Combination Drivers are working in the building.

Q: How will package-car drivers’ weekends be protected?
A: RPCDs will work a Monday through Friday shift. Our members made it clear that they were not interested in giving up time with their families. RPCDs that are working a Tuesday through Saturday shift now will be moved back to a Monday through Friday shift within 18 months. If the RPCD was hired recently, specifically for a Tuesday through Saturday shift, the company has a maximum of 24 months to move them to a Monday through Friday shift.

Q: Will there be limits on the new position?
A: The number of 22.4 Combination Drivers will not exceed 25 percent of the total number of RPCDs in your building. If the company needs additional drivers for Saturday or Sunday work, RPCDs will be offered first and forced last and will make the Supplemental overtime rate if applicable. If the Saturday and Sunday volume increases to the extent that RPCDs must consistently work those days, the union and UPS may adjust the 25 percent to avoid the RPCDs being required to work those days. RPCD openings will be filled under the Supplemental procedures; however, the “6 to 1” hiring ratio will NOT apply to RPCD openings. All RPCD openings will be filled by bargaining unit employees, not outside hires. This will provide additional full-time opportunities for part-time employees.

Q: How will this address excessive, forced overtime?
A: In any building that implements 22.4 Combination Drivers, all RPCDs will fall under the Article 37 Section 1 (c) “9.5” protection regardless of years of service or the route they hold. The newly created 22.4 Combination Driver jobs will not fall under the Article 37 “9.5” language. All other conditions in the NMUPS agreement and the Supplements, Riders and Addendum will apply.

Q: Why is this important to employees other than drivers?
A: This new classification of full-time employee will open up thousands of full-time opportunities for part-time employees, which is a top priority for those employees. These jobs come with full-time benefits. Also, in many smaller centers around the country, it is very difficult to create new 22.3 Inside/Inside jobs, as there are no back-to-back shifts.

Q: What other important information should I know?
A: Provisions in the Supplements that provide progression time and/or wage credits for a part-time cover driver who moves into an RPCD job will also apply to moving into a 22.4 Combination Driver job. Also, the start rate for 22.4 Combination Drivers will be $20.50 and reach a top rate of $34.79 by August 1, 2022. The top rate on August 1, 2018 will be $31.34 and will increase each year in accordance with the General Wage Increases.
Please everyone let's at least start to get it right.

It might start with this:

There is no such thing as the title Hybrid Driver.

To correctly refer to the job in question you would want to say Full Time Combination Driver and the new classification will be 22.4 Combination Drivers.

Not Hybrid Drivers.
 
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