Western PA

stray

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How do you loose a raise? No ot for a 6 or 7 punch? Wtf is going on in pa

Our part time employees are not given OT when they are required to work a 6th or 7th day, that was lost to a horrible decision in arbitration years ago. The first offer the company gave us would have given them that compensation, unfortunately the membership voted that offer down and the company refuses to put it back on the table.

Some local supplements came with a warning the first time they were voted on. If you vote this down, we will not offer this compensation again. Weather it was pension or raises.

Correct, UPS offered to cover the pension shortfalls that have been coming out of our (FT) raises for the past 5 years which they calculated to total $2.41/hr by 2023. They stated that if we voted the supplement down on the first go around, they would not put that back on the table either. They have stuck to it so far.

Yep and all I know is Western PA better stand up and be heard. This is the company using our own union against us. Knowing full well now, that if 50% or 2/3s don't vote they win.

The membership is doing the best it can to get the word around but, our Executive Board has only spent one day standing outside our personnel gate to speak to the membership so far. We aren't pleased with their effort and specifically asked for a greater attempt to educate our people at Saturday's membership meeting. Our part timers will be key to getting the necessary participation and many of them either don't know what's at stake or don't care.

I have a feeling that even it is rejected by the threshold, the IBT will enforce it anyway. Hope I am wrong, but if past practice is any indicator...

When Hall shoved it down our throats 5 years ago, UPS' 3rd offer was their "last, best & final offer". They would not agree to use that terminology on this offer, so I don't believe the International would be operating in good faith if they forced this pitiful offer on us just yet.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
Our part time employees are not given OT when they are required to work a 6th or 7th day, that was lost to a horrible decision in arbitration years ago. The first offer the company gave us would have given them that compensation, unfortunately the membership voted that offer down and the company refuses to put it back on the table.

Correct, UPS offered to cover the pension shortfalls that have been coming out of our (FT) raises for the past 5 years which they calculated to total $2.41/hr by 2023. They stated that if we voted the supplement down on the first go around, they would not put that back on the table either. They have stuck to it so far.


It sounds like the company was serious, and now they're holding your feet to the fire.


The membership is doing the best it can to get the word around but, our Executive Board has only spent one day standing outside our personnel gate to speak to the membership so far. We aren't pleased with their effort and specifically asked for a greater attempt to educate our people at Saturday's membership meeting.


How much effort would be required.... for you to not blame them, for your woes ?
 

Bubblehead

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Some local supplements came with a warning the first time they were voted on. If you vote this down, we will not offer this compensation again. Weather it was pension or raises.
It sounds like the company was serious, and now they're holding your feet to the fire.
Why is it that the IBT and these regional union negotiators are OK with these "warnings"....and why are they bringing a lessor, substandard offer back to the membership for a vote???

Come on @BigUnionGuy .....really?
What incredible weakness being shown here by our Union and you make such a callous and cavalier statement, seemingly in support???

How does the Teamsters allow a failed supplement to be negotiated backwards with a Company like UPS that is at the top of their game, in a viable marketplace???

SMH
 

Mugarolla

Light 'em up!
why are they bringing a lessor, substandard offer back to the membership for a vote???

How does the Teamsters allow a failed supplement to be negotiated backwards with a Company like UPS that is at the top of their game, in a viable marketplace???

You know why.

People are now scared of what they might end up with.

They will vote this down, the Company will re-instate the original offer, and bingo.....passed.
 
It sounds like the company was serious, and now they're holding your feet to the fire.





How much effort would be required.... for you to not blame them, for your woes ?

Why is it that the IBT and these regional union negotiators are OK with these "warnings"....and why are they bringing a lessor, substandard offer back to the membership for a vote???

Come on @BigUnionGuy .....really?
What incredible weakness being shown here by our Union and you make such a callous and cavalier statement, seemingly in support???

How does the Teamsters allow a failed supplement to be negotiated backwards with a Company like UPS that is at the top of their game, in a viable marketplace???

SMH

Can we just make a dedicated thread for you two to go back and forth instead of having to sort through literal pages of you two arguing on every thread that contains info on the outstanding supplements?

If the plain facts were available in one place where you two didn’t word vomit for days there might not be people starting new threads every day asking about updates because they don’t have time to sort through the threads y’all have obfuscated into oblivion with your arguments.
 

Bubblehead

My Senior Picture
Can we just make a dedicated thread for you two to go back and forth instead of having to sort through literal pages of you two arguing on every thread that contains info on the outstanding supplements?

If the plain facts were available in one place where you two didn’t word vomit for days there might not be people starting new threads every day asking about updates because they don’t have time to sort through the threads y’all have obfuscated into oblivion with your arguments.
Probably not, but l suppose we could ask a moderator?

What do you think @Indecisi0n ???
 

542thruNthru

Well-Known Member
Can we just make a dedicated thread for you two to go back and forth instead of having to sort through literal pages of you two arguing on every thread that contains info on the outstanding supplements?

If the plain facts were available in one place where you two didn’t word vomit for days there might not be people starting new threads every day asking about updates because they don’t have time to sort through the threads y’all have obfuscated into oblivion with your arguments.

This is a internet forum. It's for people's opinions.
 

542thruNthru

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@rod said you got me retro check and went to red lobster with it

He is mistaken. I went to In-N-Out.

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