President Obama!

[Sportello]

As I said, a socialist paradise. Even though the facts say otherwise.

There's that pesky word again. Care to toss out a fact or two? No one said it was a paradise, just that it was darn nice place to live, apart from the weather, and we might find a few things that may adapt well to our vastly different country.

 

[newfie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/guess-who-else-is-a-socialist.html

The key is to find a balance, as Hillary Clinton said in Tuesday’s debate. “Our job is to rein in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn’t run amok,” she said. In that sentiment, you could hear the historical echo of two great progressive presidents, Teddy Roosevelt and his cousin Franklin, both of whom sought to save capitalism from itself.

She also said, “We are not Denmark.” Nope. Not by any stretch. Denmark has a slightly higher tax load on its citizens than the United States. But it also has budget surpluses, universal health care, shorter working hours, and was recently rated by Forbes magazine as the best country in the world for business.

Good spin for the uninformed.

 

[oldngray]

Good spin for the uninformed.

His "facts" are a quote from Hillary.

 

[Sportello]

The rich can be sneaky elusive and find ways to avoid paying a 90 percent tax rate. In many cases as in Greece they basically boycotted capitalism and stopped investing to avoid paying the 90 percent tax rate.

Top tax in Denmark is 60%. US had higher taxes than that until 1982.

 

[newfie]

Top tax in Denmark is 60%. US had higher taxes than that until 1982.

I don't know about you but that's about three times what I'm paying now. Hope that don't happen.

 

[moreluck]

Even at Bernie's suggested rate of 90% for high earners, it's not enough for the waste paid out now!

 

[Sportello]

I don't know about you but that's about three times what I'm paying now. Hope that don't happen.

You must be a low wage, part time worker.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Yea everyone loves free until their tax rate goes through the roof. Voters need to do their homework on Greece before they follow the pied piper

Wall St and closing tax loopholes will pay for it all.

 

[newfie]

You must be a low wage, part time worker.

For some reason you liberals always wish the worst on me.

I don't know anyone paying any where near a 60 percent tax rate. that would be outrageously high.

 

[newfie]

Wall St and closing tax loopholes will pay for it all.

hah hah god one, yeah the sad thing is there are people out there stupid enough to believe that BS.

 

[oldngray]

hah hah god one, yeah the sad thing is there are people out there stupid enough to believe that BS.

Even Bernie admitted that taxing the top 1% and closing loopholes wouldn't pay for all of his spending.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

hah hah god one, yeah the sad thing is there are people out there stupid enough to believe that BS.

I guess I'm one of those people.

 

[Sportello]

For some reason you liberals always wish the worst on me.

I don't know anyone paying any where near a 60 percent tax rate. that would be outrageously high.

Heavens no, I don't wish anything but the best for you.

Unless you know a Dane, you don't know anyone paying 60%. You said you paid ~20%. A single person, making an average wage (in their country) pays almost 39% in Denmark, in the USA almost 23%. Info on wages here:
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=AV_AN_WAGE

Read more here:
http://www.taxindenmark.com/article.65.html

I guess the thing to do would be to read up on both situations, take everything into account, and decide what's best.

 

[Jones]

Even Bernie admitted that taxing the top 1% and closing loopholes wouldn't pay for all of his spending.

Everyone's taxes would have to go up, but for a lot of people it would be worth the trade off if it meant their children could go to college tuition free. Really depends on your situation. I suspect everyone's taxes are going up eventually anyway though to pay off our national debt.

 

[Sportello]

Everyone's taxes would have to go up, but for a lot of people it would be worth the trade off if it meant their children could go to college tuition free. Really depends on your situation. I suspect everyone's taxes are going up eventually anyway though to pay off our national debt.

Yes, everyone's taxes have to go up in America. I would imagine more so for the extremely wealthy.

Why wouldn't we want the smartest, healthiest people on the planet here?

Denmark is not some Socialist Utopia, but there are lessons that can be learned about how society works better. Perhaps some of those would work here, too.

 

[wkmac]

With all the back and forth about socialism/communism, how is it that a communist economy creates more capitalist billionaires than a so-called capitalist economy does?

China now has more billionaires than the U.S.

 

[newfie]

Even Bernie admitted that taxing the top 1% and closing loopholes wouldn't pay for all of his spending.

not to mention his models in Europe are not what he says they are .


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425566/bernie-sanders-democratic-debate

 

[Sportello]

not to mention his models in Europe are not what he says they are .


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425566/bernie-sanders-democratic-debate

That is what is known as an 'opinion piece'.

Here is what the author's Wikipedia article says about his verisimilitude:
Libertarian philosopher David Gordon criticizes The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism, writing "Williamson lacks the ability to report facts accurately and his work contains preposterous errors.”[5]


The article is worth reading in context with opposing views, but when the author uses phrases like "batty old geezers" I have a tendency to discount the rest of the opinion.


I am anxiously awaiting the 'attack the messenger' rebuttals.

 

[newfie]

not a bad place to live but not a utopi

I guess I'm one of those people.

I am anxiously awaiting the 'attack the messenger' rebuttals.[/QUOTE]

You're into beatings?

I should probably add most written pieces are as you describe opinion pieces

 

[Sportello]

not a bad place to live but not a utopi




I am anxiously awaiting the 'attack the messenger' rebuttals.

You're into beatings?

I should probably add most written pieces are as you describe opinion pieces

Learn to handle your alcohol if you are going to drink and post.