FULL TIMERS still in PROGRESSION with seniority date by Aug 1st! Did you file your grievance!?!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BigJamesBrown, May 20, 2019.

  1. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    So you guys were filing grievances for circumstances that had not happened yet???

    I have been doing this for a long time....and it just doesn't work that way.

    But again, good luck.
     
  2. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    That verbiage has been in Article 41 since 1993.



    @Bubblehead you are correct.

    They are trying to interpret the contract to their liking. (or advantage)



    Yep.

    You can't file a pre-emptive grievance on what you "think" might happen.



    This is exactly why I haven't commented in this thread.


    The BA has access to all of the pertinent people on the National Committee....

    but, a short term employee (in progression) thinks they know more.


    You can't "cherry pick" one sentence, to mean what you want.

    The totality of the Article is what matters.


    @Bubblehead and I have had some spirited debates on this forum, regarding

    a certain issue in the Central Region language. I'm hoping he has come to

    accept my explanation.... of how the contract language can "flow" ?



    -Bug-
     
  3. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    They! You have to figure out who they are. Hair is what you are not understanding. Article 41 is talking about one group of employees and subsection 2 is talking about a completely different group of employees, and until you understand that fact of the matter you will continue to chase Your Tail! Read article 41 again and you will see that it is only speaking of full-time employees
    The language is not confusing at
    My seniority date is May of last year. I misspoke. We filed our grievances once the last locals supplement went through. Roughly two months ago? A couple of days after we all filed our grievances once the guys at top rate got their $0.70. sorry for the confusion!
     
  4. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    The guys in progression with a seniority date prior to August 1st, did they or did they not get their $0.75? I rest my case!!!
     
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  5. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    Article 41 it's only talkin about those who get the gwi! The other subsections tell you who does not get that GWI that's the big difference and what you guys are not understanding.!
     
  6. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    It's a company mistake.

    When they realize it, they can contractually recoup the oversight.


    You either are entitled to the progression raise or the GWI.

    Not both.


    It's been that way.... since 1993.



    -Bug-
     
  7. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    Let's look at it like this gentleman. Article 41 Section 1 specifically instructs the reader who is going to receive the GWI. Can we at least agree on that part? Section 2 points out which full-time employees that will not be receiving the GWI. Can we agree on that point? If we can find common ground and those first two questions then I have one further question to ask! Is the GWI eligible full-time employee mentioned an article 41 Section 1 ever mentioned in section 2 or any of the other subsections? F for whatever reason you fine that the eligible full-time employee mentioned and article 41 Section 1 is never ever ever mentioned in any of the other sections or subsections then the language and section 2 or the subsections following cannot refer to the full-time employee only mentioned an article 41 Section 1. It's impossible and ill logical to superimpose the full time employee only mentioned and article 41 Section 1 into any other section of the contract where they are never ever ever mentioned.
     
  8. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    How do you explain the last part of 41.1 were it says they'll get the above(gwi), and not paid less than the progression rate?
     
  9. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    Different full-time rates across the country.


    I'm not trying to knock anyone from trying, but @BigJamesBrown is wrong.

    Maybe he will keep us apprised of his grievance, as it progresses.


    If others want to continue and speculate.... have at it.
     
  10. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    The reason for this is because after a certain time (10 days I think, don't quote me, just don't have time to look it up) once you have informed them of the overpayment in writing, the money is yours to keep.
     
  11. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    It says they get the gwi, and get no less than the progression rate. It seems pretty black and white, to me.

    I believe he said he already won that greivance, and the one he is on now, is the 70¢, Aug 2018 raise. That is more of a ambiguous issue, because the progression raise, could be said to overtake the gwi raise.
     
  12. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    He thinks he won because some people are getting this year's increase, but his grievance was for last year's gwi, which they haven't gotten.
     
  13. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    He rambles a lot, so you could be right.
     
  14. UnconTROLLed

    UnconTROLLed perfection

    my point was you did not consider that there are several different progression scales
     
  15. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    What will it take for you to believe that the one guy that needed to see the contract finally got to look at it I was able to decipher the lawyer talk MBA contract and set things straight? I want to tell you this is not the first time I've done something like this, where millions of people read something misinterpreted what they read and I came in with a pair of fresh eyes and gave the right interpretation of what was actually written. Before all of these senseless terroristic mass shootings I used to open carry in Philadelphia, everyone said it was against the law but the law was very clear to me that you can open carry so I did even though the police harass me, there was basically nothing that they could do, so I open carried almost everyday and that was while not having ID of any pipe because Pennsylvania it's not an ID state. How many of you believe that you have to have your ID wow driving a car carrying a firearm or just walking the streets?
     
  16. BigJamesBrown

    BigJamesBrown Member

    You do understand that the national full-time rate it's just that a national governed full-time rate don't you?
     
  17. Boston25

    Boston25 Active Member

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    This is what I got from the package division when I sent a message asking about progression.
     
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  18. Johnny b good

    Johnny b good New Member

    I agree with you! He know updated us and said he was wrong that we do in fact get the gwi.
     
  19. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I assumed you were a driver. Your progression schedule still puts you ahead of the gwi for the year though. Oh well, if they want to give you more money, bully for you.
     
  20. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    The package car drivers in my building who were in progression prior to August 1, 2018 also got the $.75 raise August 1st of this year.

    ....and none of the "powers that be" are claiming it to be a mistake, so what changed???