Interesting Article About Teamsters Pension For All The Haters

upsbrown-2009

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Wow its amazing! The same guys who will tell u that u are TDU and try and discredit you, can't explain and make you buy what their selling! Maybe they to can see what has been brought to light #takebackyourlocal !!!! The Gig is up time to fight for the MEMBERS!!!!!
 

Oldfart

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Wow, you just don't get it, do you?


The sentence you say you don't make it your business to know what your coworkers make, is that really because you don't make it your business or because you simply don't care? In my past dealings with coworkers such as yourself, every time it's the latter.
BOTH. I have no knowledge of what other people make. I mind my own business. I have friends and customers telling me all the time what they make or what they paid for their car, etc etc. I don't care or want to know. It is not my business. I don't share with them what I make or what my new TV cost or anything. Do you ask your friends what they make. Do you ask relatives what they make? Maybe you do, it is just not my thing.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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Social Security isn't ready to go under. There may come a day that it'll pay less if they don't shore it up but it still will be taken out of paychecks and matched by employers. The ones squawking loudest about SS are the employers who don't want to match contributions.

Social Security could easily be "fixed" with a minimal upward adjustment of payroll taxes.
 

dezguy

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BOTH. I have no knowledge of what other people make. I mind my own business. I have friends and customers telling me all the time what they make or what they paid for their car, etc etc. I don't care or want to know. It is not my business. I don't share with them what I make or what my new TV cost or anything. Do you ask your friends what they make. Do you ask relatives what they make? Maybe you do, it is just not my thing.
Nope but I do know what starting wage is at my station and I do know the kids they have coming in off the street are making quite a bit less than I am, despite doing the exact same job. I make sure to let them know this so they don't run their ass off, like I did when I started, expecting to get ahead because it won't happen. I also bring up the wage disparity here every year at SFA.

What is your contribution? Other than coming on here and describing anyone who disagrees with you as "filled with hate" or claiming their significant others are miserable, like a 5 year old?
 
Nope but I do know what starting wage is at my station and I do know the kids they have coming in off the street are making quite a bit less than I am, despite doing the exact same job. I make sure to let them know this so they don't run their ass off, like I did when I started, expecting to get ahead because it won't happen. I also bring up the wage disparity here every year at SFA.

What is your contribution? Other than coming on here and describing anyone who disagrees with you as "filled with hate" or claiming their significant others are miserable, like a 5 year old?
I just can't believe how long they string you guys along about topping out.

That's :censored2:ed up.
 

dezguy

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I just can't believe how long they string you guys along about topping out.

That's :censored2:ed up.
They lie. I was told, when I was hired it would take about 5 years. Not ideal but in an area such as the one I live in, jobs that pay anything above $15/hour are few and far between, so I decided 5 years was acceptable. Fast forward to now, and I'm still not at top of range but they know they have me because I have a family to support.
 

oldngray

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They lie. I was told, when I was hired it would take about 5 years. Not ideal but in an area such as the one I live in, jobs that pay anything above $15/hour are few and far between, so I decided 5 years was acceptable. Fast forward to now, and I'm still not at top of range but they know they have me because I have a family to support.

They keep moving the goalposts. Kids starting now will probably never top out.
 
They lie. I was told, when I was hired it would take about 5 years. Not ideal but in an area such as the one I live in, jobs that pay anything above $15/hour are few and far between, so I decided 5 years was acceptable. Fast forward to now, and I'm still not at top of range but they know they have me because I have a family to support.
I talk to a few of the FedEx drivers on my route. I know how little they pay.


Of course I over exaggerate how much I make...just to be a D*. Lol
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Thr same driver has been do his route for over 15 years. He makes $125 a day.

The first ground guy in my area (when it changed from RPS) lasted the longest. Maybe 5 years. He finally got disgusted and gave up and most of the ones after him only lasted a year or two. The last one was pretty good but he slid over into Home Delivery where he made more money.
 

dezguy

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I'm more surprised at the number of people that stick around.
When you're young, you don't realize the discrepancy in pay. Honestly, other than waving at the UPS guys on my route, when I was younger, I never really spoke to them. I was too busy running my ass off, believing it would benefit me later on down the road. By the time I actually found out how much better UPS and Purolator guys and gals have it, it was too late. I can't afford to jump ship to either company and spend x years as a loader, making $12/hour, 3 hours a day. I've actually had the terminal manager at Purolator tell me he'd hire me anytime I want a job there because I knows my work ethic.
 

bacha29

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Hey it's a government program. I'm not thrilled with their spending either but if you take away SS you screw 10's of millions who really need it and won't be able to replace it. I'd like to see all income taxed and means testing. What I'd really like to see is the Fair Tax implemented.
A pension reform plan made it all the way to Senate committee . Few of the specifics have been made public outside of the fact that employers big or small have to enroll their employees in an IRA. What difference will it make if the employee has no money to put in it?. 401K's mean nothing either if the employee has no discretionary money to put in it and or the employer doesn't contribute or match the employee contribution. As for Mr. Old 'I got mine the rest of you can go to hell" Fart, he is so brainwashed and so entrenched in a bygone era that what he says is so irrelevant that only he believes that it is of importance. Not to mention that the numbers he's throwing out there simply do not add up.Indeed as was pointed out. Employers are waaing about SS for the simple reason that they don't want to contribute to it anymore. Privatizing SS was put forth by Bush in response to the pressure the Chamber of Commerce and other well funded groups put on him . The banks were going to make a killing in management fees essentially taking everything in the account and Wall Street was licking it chops waiting to sell people stocks and bonds that the short sellers and options traders would kill in order to line their own pockets. In all ended with the market collapse in 2008 which in one way was the best thing that could have happened because you don't hear anything these days about turning SS over to the private sector. Indeed 401K's can go down in value as easily as they can go up and employers can end their contributions whenever they want.
 

Operational needs

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Wow its amazing! The same guys who will tell u that u are TDU and try and discredit you, can't explain and make you buy what their selling! Maybe they to can see what has been brought to light #takebackyourlocal !!!! The Gig is up time to fight for the MEMBERS!!!!!
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