Interesting Article About Teamsters Pension For All The Haters

[59 Dano]

Yeah, as always make it about me. I came back in good faith and worked hard. They lied. Case closed.

I "make it" about you because you've posted a million times about yourself and your freakin' issues and what you were told and how you're suffering and on and on.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

You poor, poor man. I sure hoped you saved some of that high pay to supplement that tiny pension.

I will have to switch from imported to domestic caviar.

 

[Oldfart]

I was "promised" $5.5K/month. That is about to be reduced to $4.4K/month.

Things change.

DING DING DING. We have a winner.

 

[dezguy]

Most of the jobs moving elsewhere are low- and no-skill jobs that didn't require a college education. Did anyone go to college to do a job that some guy in Taiwan who never learned to read can do?

True enough but it still doesn't discount the fact that kids just entering the work force are having harder and harder times finding a job in their field. I know plenty of guys who are working multiple part time jobs because they haven't been able to find anything in their field. Hell, the only reason I work for FedEx is because there were no jobs in the field I graduated in, at the time of me finally being done school.

Thanks to the fact that so much of the world was generations behind us in terms of education and technology.

Still doesn't discount the fact that oldfart witnessed that period and hasn't realized that is no longer the case. You can't go out and buy a house for $30 000. Households with two incomes today don't even come close to having their dollar go as far as households with just one income then. For him to come out and say that hard work is the reason he got his is absolutely false when anyone with half a brain can see it was pure luck.

Both. Why would I care what my peers make? If they made more than me, I'd be mad about it. If I made more than them, they'd get mad. People who meddle in the paychecks of others aren't really the kind of people you want in your organization.

Why would you be mad if someone made more than you? I have plenty of friends who make more than I do, I don't get mad at them. I don't even get mad at the guys I know are making more than me at my station. It's not their fault the company set up a tiered workforce. What I get mad at is the idea they have that they deserve a higher wage than everyone else just because.

We all do the same job, why shouldn't we all get paid the same?

I don't meddle in others paycheques. I'm not going up to each and every person in my station, asking what they make but that doesn't mean I don't have an idea of what each person makes. If that makes me someone "you don't want in your organization", oh well.

 

[59 Dano]

True enough but it still doesn't discount the fact that kids just entering the work force are having harder and harder times finding a job in their field.

That's the risk of majoring in a field that's not in high demand.

 

[MrFedEx]

DING DING DING. We have a winner.

DING, DING, DING. We have a loser, and it's old fart, because even a reduced UPS pension is twice what a FedEx Traditional Pension WAS, and about 20 times more than a PPA.

 

[dezguy]

That's the risk of majoring in a field that's not in high demand.

It's not just those in low demand fields. Most kids leaving school these days are having a hard time getting into their field right away.

 

[Oldfart]

True enough but it still doesn't discount the fact that kids just entering the work force are having harder and harder times finding a job in their field. I know plenty of guys who are working multiple part time jobs because they haven't been able to find anything in their field. Hell, the only reason I work for FedEx is because there were no jobs in the field I graduated in, at the time of me finally being done school.




Still doesn't discount the fact that oldfart witnessed that period and hasn't realized that is no longer the case. You can't go out and buy a house for $30 000. Households with two incomes today don't even come close to having their dollar go as far as households with just one income then. For him to come out and say that hard work is the reason he got his is absolutely false when anyone with half a brain can see it was pure luck.



Why would you be mad if someone made more than you? I have plenty of friends who make more than I do, I don't get mad at them. I don't even get mad at the guys I know are making more than me at my station. It's not their fault the company set up a tiered workforce. What I get mad at is the idea they have that they deserve a higher wage than everyone else just because.

We all do the same job, why shouldn't we all get paid the same?

I don't meddle in others paycheques. I'm not going up to each and every person in my station, asking what they make but that doesn't mean I don't have an idea of what each person makes. If that makes me someone "you don't want in your organization", oh well.

Can't figure out why the word LUCK is constantly used when people want to show their jealousy as to what I have as compared to what you don't. Luck is defined as "success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions". Making the decision to quit a better paying job at UPS to go work at a fairly unknown company is not luck. Working two part time jobs to make ends meet while working on getting a full time job to support is not luck. I know plenty of others worked 2 jobs because you do what you have to do. That isn't luck, that is being responsible. So EVERY person that got hired before me or with me is LUCKY? We had an opportunity and took advantage of it. Thousands of people were hired before me and left the company for 1 reason or another. I stuck it out and 40 years later, here I am. Don't kid yourself, the haters are gonna hate the people that have achieved something that they don't have. Meanwhile, the miserables are gonna whine and complain no matter what. Quit worrying about what others have and just concern yourself with what you have.

 

[Oldfart]

DING, DING, DING. We have a loser, and it's old fart, because even a reduced UPS pension is twice what a FedEx Traditional Pension WAS, and about 20 times more than a PPA.

Have you EVER had a positive, happy day or do you wake up mad, eat breakfast mad, work mad and go to bed mad?

 

[dezguy]

Can't figure out why the word LUCK is constantly used when people want to show their jealousy as to what I have as compared to what you don't. Luck is defined as "success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions". Taking a chance by quitting a better paying job at UPS to go work at a fairly unknown company is not luck. Working two part time jobs to make ends meet while working on getting a full time job to support is not luck. I know plenty of others worked 2 jobs because you do what you have to do. That isn't luck, that is being responsible. So EVERY person that got hired before me or with me is LUCKY? We had an opportunity and took advantage of it. Thousands of people were hired before me and left the company for 1 reason or another. I stuck it out and 40 years later, here I am. Don't kid yourself, the haters are gonna hate the people that have achieved something that they don't have. Meanwhile, the miserables are gonna whine and complain no matter what. Quit worrying about what others have and just concern yourself with what you have.

Well then please tell us all that you would have the same opinion of the company had you been hired after they did away with the pension.

You call people whiners or full of hate when you have no idea what it's like to be in their shoes. Again, you got yours so to hell with everyone else. You DID luck into a job that gave you a pension and you DID luck into being topped out in under 2 years. You have no idea what it is to be working for half of what they guy next to you is, yet you speak down to those who speak out.

You speak of hard work leading to where you are now. What makes your hard work more important than the countless other employees who came after you, who are getting nearly close the deal you got?

Call me a hater if you must but don't think for a second you'll ever convince me you weren't a benefactor of circumstance and hard work was all you needed.

 

[MrFedEx]

Have you EVER had a positive, happy day or do you wake up mad, eat breakfast mad, work mad and go to bed mad?

I'm always happy, except when I encounter Purple Kool Aid Drinkers like you. They bring me down. And, yes, I would not be upset if Fred,MT3, and all of the rest of them augered Matt's Gulfstream into a mountain.

 

[MrFedEx]

Have you EVER had a positive, happy day or do you wake up mad, eat breakfast mad, work mad and go to bed mad?

I've got it. I KNOW who you are!! You're really Richard Simmons.

 

[Oldfart]

Well then please tell us all that you would have the same opinion of the company had you been hired after they did away with the pension.

You call people whiners or full of hate when you have no idea what it's like to be in their shoes. Again, you got yours so to hell with everyone else. You DID luck into a job that gave you a pension and you DID luck into being topped out in under 2 years. You have no idea what it is to be working for half of what they guy next to you is, yet you speak down to those who speak out.

You speak of hard work leading to where you are now. What makes your hard work more important than the countless other employees who came after you, who are getting nearly close the deal you got?

Call me a hater if you must but don't think for a second you'll ever convince me you weren't a benefactor of circumstance and hard work was all you needed.

Hater and loser. Don't forget jealous. Kinda eats at you doesn't it.

 

[MrFedEx]

Hater and loser. Don't forget jealous. Kinda eats at you doesn't it.

Shouldn't you be busy putting razor blades in apples?

 

[Oldfart]

I've got it. I KNOW who you are!! You're really Richard Simmons.

Seeing happy people is new to you. I know your spouse can't be happy. They are married to YOU. How happy could living with a miserable human being make you?

 

[dezguy]

Hater and loser. Don't forget jealous. Kinda eats at you doesn't it.

Not at all. I usually get a chuckle out of your poor attempts to defend your argument.

 

[Oldfart]

Not at all. I usually get a chuckle out of your poor attempts to defend your FACTS.

 

[MrFedEx]

The FACT is that you are a stale old fart who isn't smart enough to know Fred has been screwing him for 40 years. Your bunghole must look like a funnel on the Queen Mary.

 

[Oldfart]

The FACT is that you are a stale old fart who isn't smart enough to know Fred has been screwing him for 40 years. Your bunghole must look like a funnel on the Queen Mary.

Guess he is screwing you too. WHY do you continue to work there? You are a millionaire according to what you said. You have a net worth of about 10 million $ unless you lied.

 

[vantexan]

I "make it" about you because you've posted a million times about yourself and your freakin' issues and what you were told and how you're suffering and on and on.

Again you have no answers so you make it about me. I use my examples to illustrate what they've done. I can't speak for everyone else but I know what was done to me. And you are just as bad as them, always trying to provide cover for what they've done. How long does it take to clean your nose every day?