Religion and Faith. Are they the same or are they different?

[Integrity]

To All

It appears to me that these 2 terms are often used interchangeably. However related I think there is a difference that should be explored in discussion.

To launch the discussion please read the following:

Difference Between Religion and Faith | Difference Between

All comments welcome and encouraged!!

Sincerely,
I

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Religion and faith are not necessarily one in the same.

 

[stoni24]

Didn't read ur link but "religion" has sent a lot of people to hell......

 

[Integrity]

Didn't read ur link but "religion" has sent a lot of people to hell......

kinrossy,

Thanks for your participation but can you elaborate a little.

I think a further explanation of what you mean by this would really add to this discussion.

Only if you are willing, if not, I thank you again for your comments.

Sincerely,
I

 

[bbsam]

Oh, that's simple.

Religion is a group expression of a common thread of faith. An individual's faith, what they truly hold dearnand true, will be borne out in their daily lives, both seen and unseen. Much of that will fall far short of the ideal.

Saint Paul wrote stirringly on this. To know what ones faith demands and yet to do otherwise is not something to be contemptuous of but rather acknowledged as truly human. In time, life challenges the failure in the individual and through eerosion of self will (sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, sometimes never) ones faith and subsequent actions are molded.



I stop short of ever saying I love God because of one line in the Bible. "How can you say that you love me and not do as I command?". I think it is a question that commands only silence and reflection as ananswer. Anything bet that ventures into the trap, "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.". Nope. It's a lifelong struggle and not one taken lightly. Continued resistance to the known will of God in a persons life will become maddening.

 

[bottomups]

Didn't read ur link but "religion" has sent a lot of people to hell......

Stop, drop and roll won't work in Hell.

 

[Jones]

 

[bbsam]

alot of people think God is a jerk. A conceited, self-absorbed, pompous jerk. But, I guess when you are God, you get to ignore public opinion.

 

[over9five]

Here's what they'll say next to explain this:

Either

1. It's God's Will that the boy is paralyzed.
Or
2. God works in mysterious ways.



AND, if he dies:

1. He's in a better place. (The ground?)
Or
2. God needed him in Heaven.

 

[bbsam]

How about this: I can't explain it any better than you can.

 

[Integrity]

Here's what they'll say next to explain this:

Either

1. It's God's Will that the boy is paralyzed.
Or
2. God works in mysterious ways.



AND, if he dies:

1. He's in a better place. (The ground?)
Or
2. God needed him in Heaven.

over9five,

Who is the pronoun they'll referring to in your post?

Sincerely,
I

 

[upsgrunt]

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.". Nope. It's a lifelong struggle and not one taken lightly. Continued resistance to the known will of God in a persons life will become maddening.

That's part of the Nicene creed. It's the next line that gives us faith.

Sorry, it is not the Nicene creed, but the next line of that text that is my faith.

 

[moreluck]

That's part of the Nicene creed. It's the next line that gives us faith.

Sorry, it is not the Nicene creed, but the next line of that text that is my faith.

This is how we learned it in school......

[h=2]The Nicene Creed[/h]​

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of
heaven and earth, and of all things visible and
invisible.
​

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of
God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very
God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by
whom all things were made.
​

Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from
heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made
man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was
buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and
ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall
come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall
have no end.
​

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of
Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son
together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the
prophets.
​

And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic
Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the
resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

​

 

[DS]

No offence to you Joyce ,but what a load of BS.
Very God of very God?
WTF is that? Let's get real.
​

 

[upsgrunt]

Nobody is forcing you to believe anything DS.
It is what it is to us Christians- God doesn't force his love on anybody; you just have to accept it. If you don't, you don't.

 

[bbsam]

No offence to you Joyce ,but what a load of BS.
Very God of very God?
WTF is that? Let's get real.
​

I don't know if this is insulting to anybody,but it certainly isn't to me. In fact, I can't imagine my own faith with a day that doesn't run into a "WTF is that!" kind of moment. Personally I can accept that Christ in his final days must have had those moments but remained, "obedient to His will, even to giving his life."

 

[texan]

No offence to you Joyce ,but what a load of BS.
Very God of very God?
WTF is that? Let's get real.
​

Challenge to DS and anyone who will, that struggle with all of it.

Buy a copy of the Bible. Find a version that your comfortable with.

At times, when I ponder a point made, I go to the King James myself.

But to one that finds the older English hard to understand (I had to look up many of those terms)
there are other versions that are out there.

Set your mind, your will to read all 66 books in it.

Some of the books are hard to understand and lengthy. But read all of them.

Do not read an on line version, as you will be to easily distracted.

Read from Genesis to Revelations. It might take you 6 months, it make take you a week.

Before you begin, look above and humbly ask, ok Creator as some call you, if this is your
book, shed light on my heart, my spirit, and my mind and reveal yourself to me by this book.

It will be one of the most important endeavors you ever do.

Too many quote things out of context, and regurgitate what they heard others say about the Bible.

Read all of it for yourself.

 

[moreluck]

No offence to you Joyce ,but what a load of BS.
Very God of very God?
WTF is that? Let's get real.
​

No offense taken. We learned stuff in Catholic school by rote. It's how we were 'taught or brainwashed'.....whichever term you choose to use.
We started learning the old Catechism and the nuns knew the importance of memorizing things because to this day, I can recite things.........effortlessly.

Memorized things also include the Gettysburg Address......the Preamble to the Constitution and other important stuff.
I even remember...A flea and a fly in a flue
were imprisoned so what could they do.
Said the flea let us fly,
Said the fly let us flea.
So they flew through the flaw in the flue.

I didn't look that up.....just wrote it from memory!

 

[wkmac]

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
But his daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man
And as for the bucket, Nantucket.

 

[Catatonic]

Buy a copy of the Bible. Find a version that your comfortable with.

Read all of it for yourself.

I use the "P e a" which was translated idiomatically by people in the Mid-East who understood the sayings in the Bible.

For example, "camel" is a localized term for rope which makes the saying, " It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle ..." more sensible.

I have read the KJV, the American Standardized and the Peshi-ta versions and the Pes-hita has more appeal to me.
Outside of the "P e a" I usually rely on the red-lined words of Jesus especially as determined by the Jesus Seminar.

Note: I had to use hyphens when spelling P e a since the auto-censor did dot like s-h-i-t within the word.